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Capes slipping after rinse stage

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by bluff top taxidermy, Aug 29, 2017.

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  1. Aug 31, 2017 #41
    bluff top taxidermy

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    I started without rinsing until the end and had the issue of slipping, started asking and calling around and was told by several people that before you go to the neutralizing its best to give a quick rinse to get the acid ect. Out, also was told to give a quick rinse after neutralizing also, believe the word i was told was basification? Either way i had noticed no difference in the end result just a cleaner cape in the end.
     
  3. Aug 31, 2017 #42
    cyclone

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    How?
     

  5. Aug 31, 2017 #43
    bluff top taxidermy

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    Gallon milk jugs filled with water
     
  6. Aug 31, 2017 #44
    Frank E. Kotula

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    Always float your capes. Never a need to sink them ever. No tannery does or those of us doing this for years. You capes may not get properly pickled this way for its skin to skin with weight on it. When you float you can get the pickle through all the skin.
     
  7. Sep 1, 2017 #45
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    Whole lotta cape that is above the water line if not weighed down in a 5 gallon bucket
     
  8. Sep 1, 2017 #46
    Bruce_Rittel

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    Every Morning when I worked with a Tannery - the first thing they did in the morning when they came to their Shop was to stir (sometimes using a Canoe Paddle) their (Relaxtion Bath) (all Floating pieces - no hold them under Sinkers) or Pickle - even if they had to use boards to walk over the Vats! They used no Sinkers! No 5 Gl. Buckets. half filled with water, then capped to weigh down the floating skins or capes. They simply allowed them all to float.
     
  9. Sep 2, 2017 #47
    Tanglewood Taxidermy

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    A skin will draw the pickle up into it's self through osmosis, so, I always let it float.
    Use larger plastic totes like the ones you can get from Walmart or an at least 20 gallon plastic stock tank from the feed store. When I switched from a five gallon bucket to the stock tank and increased my pickle from 5 gallons to 7 to 10 gallons, a lot of my troubles went away.
     
  10. Sep 3, 2017 #48
    cyclone

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    5 gallon bucket....not enough room, not enough solution to pickle a WT cape IMO...
     
  11. Sep 6, 2017 #49
    cyclone

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    Again, this points to the small pickle volume, the more hair~the less pickle is going to reach all parts of the cape.
     
  12. Oct 4, 2017 #50
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    Got rid of the towels and all the rinsing,Shaved, neutralized, spun in washer then let hang an hour with a fan, brushed on tan turned skin to skin for 2 hours with a fan blowing on hair, then turned skin side out and hung for a few hours with fan on, then hair out for a few hours, then skin out over night, bagged and froze, pulled out and rinsed in cold water, spun, hung for 30 minutes and started slipping all over the shoulder areas..... and I used a lot bigger of a pickle this time with same results now
     
  13. Oct 4, 2017 #51
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    I didn't say I rinsed and then froze and rinsed again I said I tanned.... let air dry majority of the way then froze, thawed out when ready to mount then rinsed...............exactly what I was told to do
     
  14. Oct 4, 2017 #52
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    Directions clearly say to rinse after tan is set in. Letting it dry longer you have to rinse to rehydrate. Don't think your understanding that I'm only rinsing once at mounting time
     
  15. Oct 5, 2017 #53
    scottdawg

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    On your final rinse are you using cold water or warm/ hot water?
     
  16. Oct 5, 2017 #54
    bluff top taxidermy

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    I've tried warm and cold, lotta guys say warm but have been using cold just to be safe
     
  17. Oct 5, 2017 #55
    Jon S

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    Do you have loose hair or epidermis slippage? I leave the hair out (skin to skin) after applying tan, but get loose hair many times as well. I just think the hair is loose when the hair side is wet. If it is epidermis slippage, I think that it is damaged during this skinning stages.
     
  18. Oct 5, 2017 #56
    msestak

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    i don't do taxidermy anymore but when i did, i used a pickle and liqua-tan. i used a 20 gallon garbage can for the pickle. i cant recall if i ever rinsed after the neutralizing or if i did it was rather quick. just painted on the liqua-tan, place it in the freezer and mount the next day ( i was doing this as a hobby not full time).

    i also have had excellent results with John Rineharts tanning cream. as part time as i was i never had a problem with slippage. had a damn good teacher too.

    have you cleaned the washer you use to spin the capes ? could be all kinds of bacteria inside and around the drum.
     
  19. Oct 5, 2017 #57
    Rhino

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    I'm calling bull5hit on this whole thread! :mad:

    Over half of your TOTAL posts bluff top, have been on this one thread. You have the privilege of being ONE OF THOUSANDS that your pickling problem can't be fixed. Making sure to mention the name of a tan that or for that manner ANY TAN, that can't cause slip. It's physically impossible for a tan to cause slip!
     
  20. Oct 5, 2017 #58
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    Calling bullshit on the whole thread? I never blamed it on the tan, if I thought it was the tan I wouldn't be going through all this b.s.....name of the thread says slippin after rinsing stage not the tanning stage itself. Simply trying to find out the solution and have tried everybody's suggestions with no luck still. Only thing that I haven't checked yet is for bacteria in my well possibly. And Jon it's starts with hundreds of single hairs that pop up after a bit and pull out with no force, then often times will start to slip from the back of the cape and move forward . Sometimes if I get lucky and it doesn't slip I can mount it but cant groom it until it's fully dry after about 10 days then the hair is locked in, if I try and put any force with running my hands around the shoulder area or further back the hair will pull right out or sometimes come off in big patches.
     
  21. Oct 6, 2017 #59
    RTF

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    Have you even switched to a different tan to see if you run into the same problem? If not why?
     
  22. Oct 6, 2017 #60
    cyclone

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    Not the tan, Listen to Oldshaver.. Citric acid is a natural bactericide so I doubt that your well water is the culprit.. Citric acid is also a chelation reagent, grabs onto metal ions in water, so it is possible that you need more acid to hold to the pH of the solution. You may have to increase the amount of citric acid. I've even mixed acids like citric and safety. Safety is going to drop your pH much more effectively while the citric stops bacteria and the action of the metal ions.

    Give us a DETAILED recipe of how you make your pickle..amounts, volumes...
     
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