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Cutthroat Trout Demand?

Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by Cecil, Jan 1, 2019.

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  1. Jan 1, 2019 #1
    Cecil

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    Doing some research to determine if 1. cutthroat eggs are available for shipping interstate, 2. if they are available the appropriate health testing is done for importations, and 3. If my state would approve it.

    Just curious if any of you think there would be a market for trophy size Snake River and or/ Yellow stone strain cutthroat trout for taxidermy purposes?
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  3. Jan 1, 2019 #2
    Cecil

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    I may have a lead on Bonneville Cutthroat eggs. Anybody familiar with the subspecies?

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  5. Jan 2, 2019 #3
    Sotired

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    I think a lot has to do with YOUR end of things Cecil, i.e., which species is hardier in your environment? I saw you mention a rainbow/steelhead strain that featured "rapid growth", I am sure many would like large fish, but would they be as viable?

    I know the trouble you have with viability in Tiger trout eggs! Perhaps the hatcheries can advise you on this. Personally, I find a shortage of cutthroats (trout) available in blanks, so if they would work out, I would say "go for it!" I would be a customer, (if we could get the shipping worked out :D)

    ~S
     
  6. Jan 2, 2019 #4
    Cecil

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    Oh I will get the shipping worked out if I have to open another account with UPS and start one with Fed Ex and drive 80 miles round trip to their hubs once a week. May have to raise my prices a little to cover it.

    As far as the cutts I'm pretty sure my DNR will nix the importation, but am going to see what they say if nothing else. I wanted to get some salmon from a local university that had the eggs tested disease free. etc and my DNR said absolutely not! They were worried about introducing ISA to the watershed, which could effect their steelhead. Never mind the eggs and fish were in closed system and tested clean at the university. Michigan has already planted Salmon solar in Lake Michigan and some inland lakes although they are doing better in Lake Huron.
     
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  7. Jan 2, 2019 #5
    Cecil

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    Speaking of tiger trout I ordered a 1000 eggs and am down to about 100 fry. Not sure if they are worth it. Was told that's normal for them to have high mortality in both the egg and alevin stage.

    Survival seems to be very good so far with the browns and brooks. Browns in the past have done very well in the pond. Not sure why the was not the case last time around
     
  8. Jan 2, 2019 #6
    Lance.G

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    I’d buy one or 2!
     
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  9. Jan 2, 2019 #7
    Clew

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    put me in Cecil
    my wife caught 4 in AK
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  10. Jan 4, 2019 #8
    Cecil

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    There are cutthroat in Alaska?
     
  11. Jan 4, 2019 #9
    Mudbat

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  12. Jan 4, 2019 #10
    Clew

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  13. Jan 7, 2019 #11
    DocEsox

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    Yes to cutthroat in Alaska, they are native coastal cutthroat subspecies. Cecil I would think there might be a demand for cutthroat blanks as Pyramid Lake has reintroduced the original Pyramid Lake strain of Lahontan Cutthroats. They were thought extinct but found in a small stream on the Utah/Nevada border. They have only been in Pyramid Lake about 10 years (their expected life span is 17+ years) and they are catching fish in the 20-30 lbs range. This fish should have the capacity for upwards of 40 lbs. You'd have to raise some awful large fish for those monsters.

    That Snake River Fine Spotted is gorgeous.
     
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  14. Jan 7, 2019 #12
    DocEsox

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    BTW the bonneville cutthroat subspecies (o.clarkii utah) was thought extinct also but was rediscovered in a Utah stream in 1974. Since then they have been extensively reestablished in the state of Utah.
     
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  15. Jan 7, 2019 #13
    Sotired

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    WOW!!! Amazing information! I thought they had been around for a long time with all the hubbub about them (Lohantans). Thanks!

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  16. Jan 7, 2019 #14
    DocEsox

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    Sotired....yes Lahontans have always been around (O. clarkii henshawi) but the strain in Pyramid Lake were a different breed and the only ones to have the capacity for mammoth growth due to their piscivorous diet....eating tui chubs. They were wiped out by dams on the Truckee River before 1940. No other strain of the Lahontans get remotely that large. The old genetics were found in a small stream....called Pilot Peak strain. Their genetics were confirmed to match the original Pyramid Lake strain and it appears they may reach their original size potential. WR 41lbs was out of Pyramid Lake but commercially caught Pyramid cutts were listed up to 60 lbs! Most of my information comes from "Trout and Salmon of North America by Robert Behnke (you might recognize the name as the SR Finespotted cutthroat is named after him... O. clarkii behnkei).
     
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  17. Jan 7, 2019 #15
    Sotired

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    :eek: Wow! Cuts the size of Lakers? I never knew!
     
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  18. Jan 7, 2019 #16
    Cecil

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    Well I may be stuck with the Bonneville (Bear Lake) strain if I get approval from my state fish & wildlife division. I contacted hatcheries out west that rear some of the other strains but didn't find any that sold eggs. That said since all 14 subspecies are closely related it might not matter for casting? I know I would't have an qualms painting a rainbow blank for a cutthroat.

    I got the heath testing records for the cutthroat egg supplier and they are whistle clean. However it's still not a given I will get approval. Should know soon although I would not get the eggs until April or May.

    Will be getting 1000 rainbow/steelhead eggs tomorrow if all goes well. These are supposed to be really fast growing. I've put together a plan to rear exclusively male fish by fall by culling out the females when the fish are released from a large floating pen. I have a trout farmer that will come and get the and put then on ice to preclude any health testing requirements interstate.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2019 #17
    Sotired

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    PAINT A RAINBOW AS A CUTTHROAT??? Might as well paint one as a Brown or a Brookie as well!!! Harumph!

    You DO realize of course that head modification, or transplant would be in order to properly pull that off, don't you?:D

    Just joking of course, but many do show characteristic differences in the head, sometimes radically different from rainbows, but I know that YOU know that!

    ~S
     
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  20. Jan 10, 2019 #18
    Cecil

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    Got cha! No worries!
     
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  21. Jan 12, 2019 #19
    Pikeonthefly

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    I would be interested. Also if your cleaning out your freezer sometime and happen to come across a pike someone backed out on let me know. I will take it off your hands.
     
  22. Jan 14, 2019 #20
    Cecil

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    I'll keep you in mind. None right now. Of course I can't legally sell it to you but as long as you pay shipping we'd be good.

    Btw I got approval for the cutthroat eggs. They will be arriving in April.
     
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