I had a couple of small 17" & 18" Whitetail left to mount so I figured what the heck, i'd try different kinda form. I got the Jody green upright alert fully aware that it would probably come with a huge muzzle. well, i got it & the head was bigger than i'm used to (McKenzie mainly) but then I thought about the clay work I fill those with anyways & decided not to shorten the face. Man, IT WAS TOUGH....I wanted to make that face smaller!! Even after I had the hide on I wanted to take a saw to it...but everything in the face fit. Anyways, this deer had a nice rack , but the body itself was no more than a scrawny 18" hill country buck. It's late & I'm tired, but I thought i'd post some pics of that 18" Jody Green form for some of the other Texas Taxidermists that may have considered using them but was hesitant. I'll use them again, I mean there is a lot I would have different, wouldn't we all, but over all it's a nice form & I like the fact that the face isn't rounded in the upper nose area like some of the other forms for Northern deer are, there is a slight depression. For the eyes I used those new Vivid Natural eyes, i'm liking those also. The form itself has really large & deep eye sockets for this sized deer in my opinion, so there is a need for a lot of clay backing to bring them out, other than that the eye settings were simple. I'll probably get up in the morning and have a different opinion, but over all I thought this form was a nice change of atmosphere for mounting a small hill country buck.. I bought 4 of the forms & 4 sets of the Vivid eyes & with the free shipping the total cost was $196!