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"A no pressure show and tell challenge" anyone interested?

Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by Jknuth, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Marc, I'm sorry for your illiteracy. I don't have many "heros" and they aren't taxidermists. I am blessed with many FRIENDS who are quite a bit more accomplished that I would ever hope to be. Your complete ignorance of where this industry has come from and why is pitiable. In fact, with your aversion to being educated, I really don't comprehend why you'd bother coming HERE since you seem to want nothing else to do within the industry. It must be taxing to be a legend in your own mind.
  2. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Good point 777. Have you read your avatar today?

  3. kazo

    kazo New Member

    I got excited and just had to start working on the Perch and here it is drying.Sorry I started before you guys but I just couldn't resist.Hope you others will start soon too. :D
  4. Hey Kazo!
    Looks cool already.

    Wow so much different then our perch.
  5. bassnbuck

    bassnbuck better late than never

    yea that definately looks more like our lmb than our perch cool looking fish
  6. jim tucker

    jim tucker Active Member

    Kind of looks like our White Perch

  7. bassnbuck

    bassnbuck better late than never

    nice pic jim, we dont have those in south georgia...our perch are yalls crappie. its always fun to see the fish from different regions on here
  8. JE

    JE Well-Known Member

    Kazo's Perch is just starting to get its "hump" The hump gets bigger as the fish gets older, but they have to be a decent size to get one.
  9. Pescado

    Pescado Biggest in 2011

    Kinda like a womans hind end eh JE,lol.
  10. kazo

    kazo New Member

    thats a good one ,and a very true one. ;D
  11. JE

    JE Well-Known Member

    I cant wait to see it progress Kazo .
  12. duxdog

    duxdog Active Member

    Holy crap that is a big White Perch.
  13. kazo

    kazo New Member

    Cant wait till the perch drys out so I skinned a Burbot and put it to dry,it will be my third fish.I cant fined no referenc fotos were I can see the color of the eyes.Did any of you guys do a Burbot and have any advise.
  14. WEEEE! I love burbot!
    crazy cool fish.
    I love how they wrap around your arm like a snake when you catch them. Very tasty too.

    It looks great kazo! I mean that.

    Here in the referance pictures is a bunch.

    akairman took these up in Alaska.
    there are some great eye shots and a few of the fish in an aquarium.
    great referance.
  15. kazo

    kazo New Member

    Thanks Josh, really great pictures.I have some glass eyes and I will try to to paint them but will still have a round pupil.
  16. Fathead

    Fathead New Member

    I would like to chime in this one, and I know I don't rate the status to say much at all since I am brand new at this. And it maybe a few years before I am good enough to do work for others I don't know. I can understand both arguments on this topic. But, from the outside looking in I think Josh has a wonderfull Idea. I personally visit this site to see the great work you all do. These fish are aw some, I don't want to know your secrets. I just like the opportunity to admire and pick up the LITTLE tidbits of information you guys put out their. I don't see how sharing in this idea of Josh's will put anyone out of business or even hurt it. Any person who follows this Idea can limit what information they put out. It's art, If I ever get the stones enough to show my work off I will, because I know someone will appreciate it like I do all of yours. If the great minds of this country kept all of their knowledge to them selves where would we be today. To Josh and the rest of you that share your passion for this kind of work Thanks. It 's not much and its not going to pay the bills but its something. I think of this as an artist sharing with an art class no matter what he preaches it still comes down to TALENT. So I say onward and I will be in the cheap seats just waiting to see your work
  17. jim tucker

    jim tucker Active Member

    Very 'Apropo. This is even more so true in this industry.

    Personally I don't see a problem with this thread at all. I cannot not believe people are still coming in and trying to stomp it out.

    It says NO PRESSURE. That means participate if you want. If you don't want to OR cannot then fine. I don't understand all the negativity. Myself I cannot really manage the time to "enter". I barely manage to get entries done for my state show. I find that these days if I have any FREE time....I sure as heck won't be doing taxidermy ;D.

    So I won't participate BUT I wanted to say that Josh had a great idea and I will be entertained.

    Amazingly in this day and age people still think they have "taxidermy secrets"...ha ha

    You can keep your secret and MAYBE no one will figure it out for...uhm a month...BUT share a secret and you make MANY friends.
  18. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Jim, did you ever bother to think that you can't understand the concern since YOU don't market a video showing those techniques?

    This whole issue seems to have skipped over some of your heads completely but since I'm being the one called out for voicing it, I wonder if any of you have any idea of the economic implications of this sudden advent of showing anyone everything. WASCO markets a complete line of videos and DVD's. Each item is marketed by a TAXIDERMIST who is augmenting his or her income with each item that's sold. (They call it "royalties" in business circles). When you go to a show, these same artisans give seminars and in return they're provided with monetary and ancillary perks. We live in a commercial world where no one rides for free.

    When Ken opened the "new" site, I voiced just this concern about the pictoral aspect that was being incorporated. Mostly I've been wrong and the majority of pictures are just fun things. Now suddenly the beginners supported by some of you experienced people are "demanding" tutorials on how to do things. Now which one of you pea brains would buy a DVD on mounting a skink by Tom Voyer if Kerby Ross had posted a step by step tutorial on this website? (Sorry Tom - Kerby, I used your names because the skink is your domain and I hope neither of you have such a video. LOL)

    Neither do I like tap dancing with definitions of words. Harry Reid proclaiming that paying Federal Income Tax was "optional" scares hell out of me enough with taxidermists trying it. Saying something has "NO PRESSURE" don't mean squat when egos come into play nor does it keep participants from chiding those who don't that they should have.

    I get emails and PM's from people who can't write with proper capitalization or punctuation telling me they've bought a kit from Cabela's and who want me to give them a "step by step" method of how to complete it. I tell them to buy Rick Carter's DVD set. I still think this post crossed that line IN ITS WORDING and if it continues, the backlash from videographers and from taxidermy schools is going to dry this well up. A guy just last night was fighting vehemently over doing deer at $250 "so the poor people could enjoy quality taxidermy". It must be the Obama socialist revolution coming into play in some of your minds.

    "It doesn't do good to open doors for someone who doesn't have the price to get in. " Ronald Reagan
  19. jim tucker

    jim tucker Active Member

    Well you don't have to worry George because nobody's posting SOMEONE ELSE's videos or tutorial's they are posting their OWN.....and it is THEIR BUSINESS.

    Welcome to capitalism. We have the right in America to do as we please....even be a DUMBASS. I have never been one to hide my taxidermy "secrets". It has never bitten me in the ass and has always HELPED my business....because 90% of the guys I ever helped send me all their work after they found out it isn't an easy $$.

    If they don't get it here they will get it elsewhere. Ever hear of YouTube? Probably can find everything on there anyhow.

    NOBODY is being FORCED to participate. JEEZ.
  20. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Geez, Jim, I didn't know anyone FORCED you to pay TAXES either.

    I just got a very interesting PM on this post that may dent some of your skulls a bit. WASCO hosts this site at NO COST TO ANYONE. Currently there are 17,900+ names with accounts on this site. Just for shytz and giggles, lets say Ken figured out that the site was (AS IT IS) providing an economic service to the taxidermy industry without ANY REMUNERATION TO WASCO. He decides that as an equitable trade off for services rendered, he would charge a fee of $10 per month or $100 per year to participate. Just how many of those 17,800 do you think might pay to play? I know we'd get rid of Frogbrain, but how many more would stay?

    And please don't insult me by using the analogy of sharing secrets with customers. That holds true with plumbing, heating, air conditioning, TV repair, even roofing so that's not the issue. These are PEERS now.

    But you're right. If I FREELY decide to share my techniques, then so be it. But don't IMPLY that we're going to have a "NO PRESSURE" "Competition". That's an oxymoron and only a MORON can't see that it is. When Ron did the bird thing, he asked if there was interest and then decided on judges and ribbons to be awarded. Nothing subdued in that approach at all. But here you have a competition with no winner. How's that?

    Now I'm going to avoid this thread completely. You guys just go and have your little love fests and do what you want, HOWEVER, if anything I've said comes to fruition down the road, don't continue to act like socialists and claim you weren't told in advance.