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competition pieces being done at seminars/schools???

Discussion in 'Training' started by RDA, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    Now for a second time in like a week,,, someone comes on telling how he just put together competition pieces WHILE BEING UNDER THE DIRECT SUPERVISION of an INSTRUCTOR!!!

    Ok the last time I was a bit nice about it all, but it appears as if there is an epedemic of this NONSENSE!!!! IT IS SIMPLY CHEATING TO BE UNDER THE DIRECT SUPERVISION OF AN INSTRUCTOR THEN ENTER THAT PIECE.... It is not fair to your self or the countless other competitiors who do the piece on their own :p ::) :mad:

    Its obvious that BUBBA has no problem directly coaching these people with show pieces BUT I DO,,, and have told countless seminar students that I never wanted to see the bird or animal they did with me in a show... Its complete BS and if thats all your going to competitions for is to collect ribbons,,,,, a whole pile of em wont be worth two cents..... THATS MY 2 cents.... :p


    cheaters is as cheaters do....
     
  2. TD

    TD My GGG Grandfather John "Tanner John" King b 1820

    That's simple logic ...........
     

  3. scpol

    scpol Wholesale Bird Taxidermy....Fan of Mike & Harry

    So Ron, how's my bird coming for the worlds ::) ;) Honestly, i agree 100%. Any piece entered
    should be done on your knowledge, and your knowledge only.
     
  4. there only fooling thereselfs, you will find people like this cheating there way through life aswell
     
  5. Mason

    Mason Active Member

    Same goes for the freshly mounted pieces that are brought on here and critiqued and adjusted to everyones liking then taken to the show.
     
  6. You don't think opinions are okay before a show? Oops.
     
  7. Becky P

    Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

    No one sees mine until the show and I think that's the way it should be.

    Ron I feel just like you do, it's cheating. I hear some say, well they still had to do it with their own hands. Well, la-de-da, if I had someone standing over my shoulder saying "move this here, no not that much, ok, ok, that's it" well I might do better too but I use my own judgement and knowledge (that sometimes needs researched) and do the best I can. If it's wrong, it's my fault and I'll learn from it. You learn more from those lessons than someone telling you exactly what to do. What happens on the next mount when you have no one standing behind you? I bet it won't be the same.
     
  8. Becky, Does is your husband allowed to say anything at all when he sees your overall piece? Seriously, no feedback at all?
     
  9. And imagine the happy customer...."bring me your trophy, I do award winning work.." and then they pick up their mount and it's not so great...... :-\
     
  10. Becky P

    Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

    He used to but not anymore. He does not do taxidermy anymore (hasn't in over 12 years, he only did it for about 3 years then) and I'm waaay ahead of where he quit, so he would be of no help on a competition piece. Let's put it this way, I see things wrong that he doesn't, he's basically like most customers.
    He hasn't even helped me put a deer on a panel in probably 4 years. Occassionally I might need some help with cutting a heavy rod or hanging an elk, but other than that, the only time he comes in the shop is to use my tools.
     
  11. *

    * Liberalism IS A MENTAL ILLNESS !

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    I get feedback from MRS. PETA. My Anti-hunter wife ;D
    Most of the time it's " Why did you mount it like that, I don't like it "
    Or "That looks like like crap. Why do you always do the aggressive mounts, I like the cute stuff ?"
    Most of the time I don't show her till it's dry and I can't do anything ;D
     
  12. rbear

    rbear Well-Known Member

    I thought thats what the group category was for. By the way how many of you out there have taken a mount to the state show had it critiqued then worked on it and taken it to the world show. Be honest!!
    Ralph
     
  13. I thought about it between shows (state), but I guess it's unethical. :-\ Plus it would've been a major pain in my butt.
     
  14. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Ron, I agree totally with what you said and applaud your character for telling student that. But it bothers me to to see so many on here rah-rahing it when we all KNOW that it happens in nearly every show out there. When Pennsylvania had their "tests", I know for a fact that many specimen were presented that were NOT done by the individual applying. Some time back I spoke with Todd Huffman and he voiced his displeasure and concern of seeing pictures of his work getting awards in shows under someone else's name. Over the years, I've seen more than my share of "one hit wonders" where mounts were either done at the school/seminar or were the very first one after the school/seminar. Like talent, you can't teach character either.
     
  15. Becky P

    Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

    I did it once (state to nationals) SORTA but it was a problem I knew existed BEFORE the critique just didn't have time to fix it and be dry before state. It didn't do much to help my score anyway. Now, once it's dry, it is what it is.
     
  16. stuffer2000

    stuffer2000 New Member

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    Well you dont have to worry about me being a cheater. I was going to take four birds to the SD show now I think I will save the money and take the family out for supper. Even if I did well with one that I did on my own everybody would still think it was the one I did at the class. It wouldnt be that hard to figure out who I am as there is only one other Jamie I think and he is in the masters division. All I wanted was for Cory to look at my birds and tell me where I could improve I thought that was why everybody entered. The original post was for Bubbas training and I still stand by him being an awesome teacher!
     
  17. Becky P

    Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

    George, just because we know it happens still doesn't make it right.
     
  18. Paul C

    Paul C New Member

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    Here's one for ya. I'm not going to name names (yet) to protect the guilty, but try to picture THIS scenario......

    --A VERY well known, National and World Champion taxidermist commissions two other champion taxidermists to do individual pieces--categories in which they are considered "specialists". Each piece is done separately by the taxidermists and delivered to the World Champion's door.

    --This "World Champion Taxidermist" then assembles and arranges the pieces, linked by another "specialist's" habitat work, and enters that entire "piece" into the World Show as his own.

    --His justification for doing so...."I paid for it so what I do with it is my business !"


    GO FIGURE!

    If that doesn't leave you scratching your head nothing will!
     
  19. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    Wow That is really off the chart Pual!! I wonder what motivates one to go at competitions like that, what purpose does it serve...?

    And Im not talking about getting critiques from peers or asking advice or sensing someone a pic asking what do ya think,,,, but this hands on instructor siitting right next to you guiding your every move or having someone else DO THE PIECE is self defeating and completely uinfair against all the other competitiors...

    And changing something on a mount from a critique at a show then re entering it in anoither show is perfectly acceptable becuase YOU DID THE WORK...Now if you took it to an instructor and he instructed you step by step the the line has been croossed and the work no longer yours alone...
     
  20. RoyalOaksRanch

    RoyalOaksRanch Royal Oaks Taxidermy- When Quality Counts...

    I think its majorly cheating and shouldnt be allowed. I also think if you take something to a hands on seminar that it should NOT be allowed on the show floor. Ive only been to TWO shows.. And lets just say that at one show there were several mounts that were entered that had been done at a hands on seminar. When it was brought up it, it got hushed up quickly and nothing else was said but alot of people were rather upset about it. Its not fair to have someone holding your hand while you mount it then enter it as if you had done it all on your own. I busted my butt to mount the 4 pieces I took, and I was really proud of my work. I gt my ribbons, and my critique and came home and took what I learned to do better on my next mounts, But to find out that those mounts were even allowed to be entered really showed how the ethics have declined... Heck that means all I have to do is run over to some seminar put on by a master, let him hold my hand and show me everything, then put it in the show.. Its bad enough when you have a real strong idea that they cheated but cant prove it, but when you have pictures showing they were in a seminar that right there should be grounds to disqualify the mounts.. It also puts a bad light on the organization for not stepping up and handling the situation to insure that more people dont do the same thing. Honesty, integrity, etc seem to take a back seat when it comes to getting a ribbon.