competition pieces being done at seminars/schools???

That's simple logic ...........

 

So Ron, how's my bird coming for the worlds : Honestly, i agree 100%. Any piece entered
should be done on your knowledge, and your knowledge only.

 

there only fooling thereselfs, you will find people like this cheating there way through life aswell

 

Same goes for the freshly mounted pieces that are brought on here and critiqued and adjusted to everyones liking then taken to the show.

 

You don't think opinions are okay before a show? Oops.

 

No one sees mine until the show and I think that's the way it should be.

Ron I feel just like you do, it's cheating. I hear some say, well they still had to do it with their own hands. Well, la-de-da, if I had someone standing over my shoulder saying "move this here, no not that much, ok, ok, that's it" well I might do better too but I use my own judgement and knowledge (that sometimes needs researched) and do the best I can. If it's wrong, it's my fault and I'll learn from it. You learn more from those lessons than someone telling you exactly what to do. What happens on the next mount when you have no one standing behind you? I bet it won't be the same.

 

Becky, Does is your husband allowed to say anything at all when he sees your overall piece? Seriously, no feedback at all?

 

And imagine the happy customer...."bring me your trophy, I do award winning work.." and then they pick up their mount and it's not so great...... :-\

 

He used to but not anymore. He does not do taxidermy anymore (hasn't in over 12 years, he only did it for about 3 years then) and I'm waaay ahead of where he quit, so he would be of no help on a competition piece. Let's put it this way, I see things wrong that he doesn't, he's basically like most customers.
He hasn't even helped me put a deer on a panel in probably 4 years. Occassionally I might need some help with cutting a heavy rod or hanging an elk, but other than that, the only time he comes in the shop is to use my tools.

 

I get feedback from MRS. PETA. My Anti-hunter wife ;D
Most of the time it's " Why did you mount it like that, I don't like it "
Or "That looks like like crap. Why do you always do the aggressive mounts, I like the cute stuff ?"
Most of the time I don't show her till it's dry and I can't do anything ;D

 

I thought thats what the group category was for. By the way how many of you out there have taken a mount to the state show had it critiqued then worked on it and taken it to the world show. Be honest!!
Ralph

 

I thought about it between shows (state), but I guess it's unethical. :-\ Plus it would've been a major pain in my butt.

 

Ron, I agree totally with what you said and applaud your character for telling student that. But it bothers me to to see so many on here rah-rahing it when we all KNOW that it happens in nearly every show out there. When Pennsylvania had their "tests", I know for a fact that many specimen were presented that were NOT done by the individual applying. Some time back I spoke with Todd Huffman and he voiced his displeasure and concern of seeing pictures of his work getting awards in shows under someone else's name. Over the years, I've seen more than my share of "one hit wonders" where mounts were either done at the school/seminar or were the very first one after the school/seminar. Like talent, you can't teach character either.

 

I did it once (state to nationals) SORTA but it was a problem I knew existed BEFORE the critique just didn't have time to fix it and be dry before state. It didn't do much to help my score anyway. Now, once it's dry, it is what it is.

 

Well you dont have to worry about me being a cheater. I was going to take four birds to the SD show now I think I will save the money and take the family out for supper. Even if I did well with one that I did on my own everybody would still think it was the one I did at the class. It wouldnt be that hard to figure out who I am as there is only one other Jamie I think and he is in the masters division. All I wanted was for Cory to look at my birds and tell me where I could improve I thought that was why everybody entered. The original post was for Bubbas training and I still stand by him being an awesome teacher!

 

George, just because we know it happens still doesn't make it right.

 

Here's one for ya. I'm not going to name names (yet) to protect the guilty, but try to picture THIS scenario......

--A VERY well known, National and World Champion taxidermist commissions two other champion taxidermists to do individual pieces--categories in which they are considered "specialists". Each piece is done separately by the taxidermists and delivered to the World Champion's door.

--This "World Champion Taxidermist" then assembles and arranges the pieces, linked by another "specialist's" habitat work, and enters that entire "piece" into the World Show as his own.

--His justification for doing so...."I paid for it so what I do with it is my business !"


GO FIGURE!

If that doesn't leave you scratching your head nothing will!

 

I think its majorly cheating and shouldnt be allowed. I also think if you take something to a hands on seminar that it should NOT be allowed on the show floor. Ive only been to TWO shows.. And lets just say that at one show there were several mounts that were entered that had been done at a hands on seminar. When it was brought up it, it got hushed up quickly and nothing else was said but alot of people were rather upset about it. Its not fair to have someone holding your hand while you mount it then enter it as if you had done it all on your own. I busted my butt to mount the 4 pieces I took, and I was really proud of my work. I gt my ribbons, and my critique and came home and took what I learned to do better on my next mounts, But to find out that those mounts were even allowed to be entered really showed how the ethics have declined... Heck that means all I have to do is run over to some seminar put on by a master, let him hold my hand and show me everything, then put it in the show.. Its bad enough when you have a real strong idea that they cheated but cant prove it, but when you have pictures showing they were in a seminar that right there should be grounds to disqualify the mounts.. It also puts a bad light on the organization for not stepping up and handling the situation to insure that more people dont do the same thing. Honesty, integrity, etc seem to take a back seat when it comes to getting a ribbon.