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Discussion in 'Training' started by RDA, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Ron, why is providing facts equated to "calling you out". You made a statement that two fishermen were imprisoned for fraud from a fishing tournament. Obviously if that's true, and I have no doubts it is, then why not validate that claim instead of the ambiguity. I wouldn't think of saying something like that unless I had name, place and time involved. Imprisonment for fraud is rare in America with prisons filled with drug dealers, murderers and rapists along with illegal aliens. Being handcuffed goes back to being arrested, but felonious imprisonment is certainly something anyone could find with the proper cues. I've never made any insinuations that I wasn't a stickler for the truth. Simply because "somebody said it", hardly makes it worth repeating unless I can find a source document. Perhaps it's my work for newspapers and periodicals, or just my own ethics at play, but if it is, in fact, true, then providing that source shouldn't be a challenge to your character that I can see. Some time back we reported the actions of Shawn McCrary and how that dirtball had poached game and then rolled over to the Feds to entrap other unsuspecting taxidermists. We documented everything we could find and were surprised to find him actually advertising in one of the industry magazines. If you have proof, then eliminate the questions by posting it for everyone to see. I simply don't like "he said, she said" statements with the information available today on the internet.

    Cole, you claiming to have won is cheating. Should I prosecute you or simply continue persecuting you?

    Hmm, this one sounds strikingly similar: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524937/posts
  2. D.Taximan

    D.Taximan Member

    Is it cheating if a guy uses a freeze dried turkey head, on his mount that he bought from Anthony Eddy, or some other company? In some cases already painted. Another person did the work on it.

  3. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    Two west Kentucky anglers face up to fifty years in prison for cheating in more than ten fishing tournaments. They're accused of catching fish, stashing them and then using them to cash in at weigh-in time.

    Dwayne Nesmith, 43 of Island and Brian Thomas, 31 from Dawson Springs were arrested Tuesday afternoon. They're charged with ten felony counts of theft by deception in Marshall and Lyon Counties.

    The two men originally faced a $1,000 fine for cheating in a bass tournament at Lake Barkley in April. Since then, investigators uncovered more than ten other tournaments the men might have cheated in since 2004.

    They were taken to Herman Ford Detention Center in Paducah after indictments were issued by grand juries in Marshall and Lyon counties.
    A news release from the Kentucky State Police did not identify the tournaments. However, Kentucky State Police Sgt. Brent White said Nesmith and Thomas won several thousand dollars and a bass boat valued at $30,000 using fish caught in advance of tournaments and staked out for inclusion in their catches during the competitions.
    Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources Sgt. Bill Snow said he had received a report of the cached bass, which were marked by clipping their fins, then staked out by officers.
    Snow said two men later identified as Nesmith and Thomas were witnessed coming by boat to the location of the submerged fish basket in the early morning hours of April 30, retrieving it by rope, then transferring the fish to the boat’s livewell.
    Snow identified three fish in the five-fish catch that Nesmith and Thomas weighed in at the conclusion of the tournament that afternoon as bass that had been in the basket. Misdemeanor charges of theft by deception were filed against Nesmith and Thomas. The boat they were using and their fishing tackle were seized by officers, according to The Paducah Sun.
    Several anglers from the Paris area, including Mike Ward and Bobby Kilzer, have competed against the two cheaters this spring and last year at various tournaments on both Kentucky and Barkley Lakes.

    “I fished against these guys in some tournaments and I think cheating goes on more than we realize, especially in the smaller type tournaments,” said Ward. When asked about polygraph tests Ward said he thought they should be administered but also realized the expense required but that future entry fees might have to cover that cost to maintain integrity.

    Ward said he thought the anglers should be barred from future tournaments not only in Kentucky but in Tennessee. “If they cheated in Kentucky then they will cheat in Tennessee as the state line won’t make any difference,” continued Ward.

    Veteran tournament angler Bobby Kilzer had this to say: “I fish events that are subject to polygraph tests just to avoid the atmosphere of cheating. All of your big events are draw-partner so it’s unlikely to happen in those whereas the buddy tournaments are more open to the possibility of cheating.”

    “Still, I don’t think cheating is prevalent and these two guys were bad apples. I fish for the fun and competition and the idea is to hunt and find the fish on your own so cheating to win something takes away from the spirit of the event,” continued Kilzer. “But I do think a polygraph in tournaments would deter any aspects of cheating from anglers for fear of getting caught.”

    Both Ward and Kilzer were participating in a buddy tournament at Lake Barkley in April when the two anglers were caught by Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife officials. The event was sponsored by the Bank of Cadiz to benefit the local Relay for Life event by the American Cancer Society.

    Each year several fishing tournaments are held throughout the Kentucky Lake area in the name of competition and good sportsmanship. Sometimes big dollars are at stake while others offer a small purse.

    As long as a dollar is involved there will be someone trying to take a shortcut to easy money but for the most part, local tournaments are run by honest organizations for honest anglers. Ethics and integrity are part of the tournament with some luck and a lot of skill to boot.

    Unfortunately, these two anglers have given a black eye to pick your own partner style events for a while across the region where most events do not require polygraph tests, which may cost in excess of $400.

    Future tournament anglers will police their own ranks and rightfully so. After all, it’s their time, reputation, and money at stake and most enjoy the fellowship and competition of finding and catching fish.
  4. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    POPLAR BLUFF, MO. — Back before he was accused of cheating in the bass fishing tournament, before police caught him in an elaborate sting, Gary Lee Jones would drop by Buck's Outboard Motors shop almost every morning. He'd grab some coffee, sit down at the green picnic table with the other regulars, and talk fishing.

    Jones, 60, is an avid angler. A divorcé with no family nearby, he sometimes stayed at the shop for hours. He had friends here. So when he placed second in a fishing tournament two weeks ago, the regulars expected he would show up the next morning to crow about it, just as he did after the week before.

    But his moment of triumph — his trophy plaque and $886 — was the one that got away. He left the winner's circle that day in handcuffs, facing a felony count of theft by deception. Fishermen at the boat ramp cheered his arrest. Others were moved to anger. Fishermen can forgive all kinds of transgressions, but not cheating.

    "What he did, he did to every fisherman. It's like a brotherhood," said Skeeter Law, owner of the boat shop frequented by Jones. "He's done lost any kind of trust that he had."

    It was not only trust. In that instant, Jones lost more than he could have imagined.

    He really could fish

    Those who have gone on the lake with Jones say he knows which honey holes to explore, where the big bass hide and which bait makes the fish bite. He had a job that allowed him to fish sometimes five days a week. Jones was good enough to compete in tournaments.

    "He would've won a tournament eventually, if he'd done it the right way," said Don Selvidge, another regular at Law's.

    Fishing is a serious part of life in this area about 150 miles south of St. Louis. A bass boat in the front yard is a common sight. Traffic backs up at the boat ramps on weekends. Local obituaries regularly mention the deceased's passion for the sport.

    Competitive fishing — a race to see who brings in the greatest total weight of fish — began to catch on in the 1960s. National circuits formed. Now tournaments are broadcast on television. Professional fishermen look like NASCAR drivers, with shirts and hats covered in sponsorship patches. The top pro circuit offers $9.5 million in prizes annually. Dozens of smaller tournaments promise bass boats and up to $40,000 in prizes per tournament.

    But with the competition comes cheating. Fishermen have been caught using frozen fish, fish hidden in secret compartments, fish tied to hidden lines. Last week, a Kentucky man received a suspended sentence for hiding bass in a submerged fish basket. He and his partner, who also was charged, had tried to walk away with a $30,000 bass boat at a championship on Lake Barkley, Ky.

    Even the smallest tournaments are on guard. They use lie detectors to ask winners whether their catches were made that day. Jones took a lie-detector test at a competition two years ago after placing second, according to organizers. He passed. There were rumors he cheated, but his friends stood up for him.

    "We wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt," Law said.

    This time, authorities say, there was no doubt.

    It started with a tip

    A fisherman and his son told police they had seen Jones on the lake on Saturday, April 28, the day before the tournament. Many fishermen make practice runs. But Jones spent his time next to a floating duck blind, raising officers' suspicions.

    Just before dusk, after the lake was clear, state conservation agent Mic Plunkett and a state water patrol officer set out in a boat to investigate. They found two live bass with red nylon cords looped through their mouths and tied to the duck blind, Plunkett said. They marked the fish, with Plunkett punching a tiny hole in one fin on each bass. They formed a plan, but they needed to hurry.

    At 6 a.m. the next day, the 2007 Angler's Choice/Bass Quest Tournament kicked off.

    Thirty-eight boats pushed off into Lake Wappapello, a sprawling man-made lake. Everyone fished in pairs, except for Jones. He told organizers his daughter was unable to make it.

    Jones headed for the duck blind cove in his red Ranger bass boat and waited until the other competitors had cleared out, according to authorities.

    Plunkett and Jeff Johnson of the water patrol, dressed in camouflage, waited on shore about 60 feet away. Plunkett lay behind a log with a video camera 9 also camouflaged — poking over the top.

    They watched as Jones reached into the water, pulled up the bass, cut the line and placed the fish in his boat's aerated holding tank, according to Plunkett.

    At the official weigh-in that afternoon, Jones turned in four bass for a total of 11.55 pounds — good enough for second place. He also had a single five-pound fish to take third in the Biggest Bass category. Jones was awarded a silver trophy plaque and his check. Organizers snapped his photo while authorities inspected Jones' catch. They found the marked fish.

    Rodney Enderle of Jackson, Mo., stood in the crowd. He finished in 12th place. He looked around and noticed several water patrol officers and deputy sheriffs. "I guess everybody is interested in bass fishing this year," Enderle recalled thinking.

    As Jones accepted congratulations, a water patrol officer stepped forward. Jones was under arrest. Word of the undercover operation quickly spilled through the crowd. Applause broke out. Several fishermen shook the officers' hands.

    "I've never had that large of a crowd be that enthusiastic about someone getting arrested," Johnson said. "That was something different."

    But Enderle had another thought. The previous weekend he had organized a Bassbusters of Southeast Missouri tournament on the same lake. Jones placed second in that competition, too, winning $650. Enderle felt like he had been robbed twice. "I wanted to grab him by the throat and wring him," Enderle said.
  5. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    well I never start out responding to your posts by saying "and jimminy cricket was right - fairy tales do come true...." Now what is one of reasonable intelligence to think. I simply dont relish typing cuz Im old and slow....so i leave facts that seem not productive to the point , out of my posts....
  6. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    These are just a couple, there are lots of others. A simple "u and ron are right, and I am wrong" will suffice.
  7. Heck

    Heck Active Member

    I would say "yes". JMO

    Nicely done Cole!!! ;) ;) (I just hear a slap??) :D :D ;D
  8. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    Here, seeing is believing...[​IMG]
  9. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    Most associations allow for commercially freeze dried heads, but all rebuilding and painting must be done by the competitor. It usually states this
    in the rules of competition.
  10. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    Ill tell ya this much I knew of at least eight guys that were packin in the weigh in crowd of fisherman there was some worry on the officials faces...... ;D One could hear "get a rope" loudly many times.... ;D
  11. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Cmon guys, lets wrap it up. Thousands of dollar purses in bass tourneys and a simply state taxidermy competition is not even apples to oranges, its even more lopsided. Point made, point taken...done deal!
  12. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    I compete in small bass tournaments, and they have the same rules and penalties. ...and if you're tired of talking about it, why keep posting? ;) ;D
  13. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    its akin to a car wreck you know you shouldnt but,,,, ya just gotta look.... ;D ;D
  14. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Its a moderator thing...oh, never mind lol.

    RON! Did you see my weathered antler post in the wanted section? Help me out bud.
  15. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    danggg Bill I never pick those up!!! :-\
  16. Mr.T

    Mr.T Active Member

    just bumping here, nobody's posted for almost 6 hours. It kind of stalled.
  17. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    G O O D ! LOL
  18. Bobbi Meyer

    Bobbi Meyer I luv to ride my tricycle, I luv to ride my trike

    Hate to pee in your toasties Bill, but instead of excluding these people and prosecuting them, why not have a division just for them. You get interest in competing, they get some critiques, maybe get a ribbon and with any luck, the next year you have them competing in the professional division?
    1) you include them as members, not cheaters
    2) you increase your State or National membership
    3) they feel included
    4) the instructors get cudos for teaching a good class if the student places well
    5) we as a industry benefit due to increased interest in our organizations
    6) no legal fees for prosecution are needed
  19. Here here Bobbi! Here here!
  20. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    hmmm interesting theory CUZZ!! :D BUT, if tht were the case, no one else would go to shows besides those coached by the best dermists in the coiuntry,,, smalllll shows indeed... ;D