Hi, I am new here but have read a lot of good info here for a while and decided to register. On ebay right now the Dakota IV Detail Fleshing Machine can be had for 379.00 + ship: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dakota-IV-Detail-Flesher-Old-Style-Head-w-Brass-Guards_W0QQitemZ7236376398QQihZ015QQcategoryZ71130QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem The newer model of the same machine can be had for 469.99 +ship: http://www.vandykestaxidermy.com/product/01326279/ My question is this, for the savings should I go with the older one, it does have a decent warranty and comes from VanDykes as well. Next question is can you shave with it as well as flesh? I already have an Eager Beaver that I can do most things with but would like something smaller for detail work and small game. Thanks.