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Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by Joe Simmons, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. mk

    mk -30 below

    Geoge, i can see why you are making a mountain out of a mole hill with Ron`s statement. good for you cause thats all you can do is get off the subject. LMAO.

    Capitalism works but theres loopholes in it when you have illegal mexicans coming to the states and being paid cash under the table for doing jobs cheap and undercutting the competition. Jobs going over seas nothing being manufactured in the states as it is cheaper thus undercutting the competition. And we have SOME not all -Taxidermists that have other sources of income enable them to undercut the competition to get in work.

    This is what screws up the whole system, as if they had no additional income along with their taxidermy work they would be out of business because they would a) not be able to pay their bills or b) get a bad reputation in that people would not bring them work because it would take years to get their mount back or the quality has suffered.

    Now we have guys starting out ok yes everyone starts somewhere as they progress in their business they will find out that they will have to charge more for their work each year or as necessary to stay in business -see the thread that kurt rojeman is a good example of this. that would be a natural progression of things.

    Yet we have a regression of prices. i dont care where you live in the US, deerheads should not still be under $300? I`m sorry especially when you got guys in the area that are over $450-at least where i`m at...

    you guys have no idea how many damn customers i have to educate that come in here that don`t know dick about taxidermy, the general public doesnt know anything some do and most don`t. There`s also alot of taxidermists out there with poor business practices cause they didnt charge what they were worth and guess what went out of business, but if they had that additional income they would still be doing it.
  2. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    Why MK ??? It is NONE of our business what another Taxidermist charges. Some people would say that Bill Yox should not charge $700 for a deer head. Are those people right also ??? Of course they are not, it is absolutely 100% NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS WHAT SOMEBODY CHARGES AT A BUSINESS THEY OWN!

  3. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Look mk, Ron, neither of you combined have the IQ sufficient to "piss me off". You need to get over that too. It seems that you, and only you two with a straggler occasionally, have an issue with "lowballers". Now you both have come pissing and moaning because someone else has a retirement plan working in conjunction with their taxidermy income and I figure, as I said, you pissed away the productive years of your life frittering away at what "felt good" and never bothered to invest either your time, your service or your money so that you could enjoy you life. It's not MY fault and it's sure as hell not the "lowballers" fault. He or she is just a convenient excuse for your own failings in doing and following good business practices.
  4. mk

    mk -30 below

    george i honestly don`t care if a guy has supplemental income but don`t lowball the damn taxidermy work keep the same or higher than the guy actually making a living on it.

    there is another taxidermist by me full time was about a guy thats down the road who is a DENTIST that took in 50 deer last year at $150 cheaper than him. A Dentist, a guy that makes more this this fulltimer in his dental practice and undercuts him doing taxidermy work, unbelieveable. Because he just enjoys doing it and doesn`t need the money. I`m sorry but that is WRONG.
  5. redwolf

    redwolf Active Member

  6. trapperfred

    trapperfred New Member

    i am eating =] a fat turkey with mash taters beens ham and some tea

    almost to the dessert part
  7. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    oohhh MR IQ, i would compliment you, but your self complimenting pales all in comparison!!! To coin a phrase "ohhww the arrogance of some" and to coin another,,,, pound sand geeoorrggiiee....... FUNNY how YOU AND MP are the only ones really argueing and throwing the insults to start as always......... :p
  8. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    I didn't light this fire. Cause it got out of hand for you doesn't mean I don't enjoy throwing some gasoline on it. YOU were the one who started calling "names".
  9. RDA

    RDA Active Member

    BULL CHEET ol man.,.... :p Your flat out lying.....
  10. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    Why is that wrong Matt ??? There are 2 diferent restauraus I eat at, at one a cheese burger is $3.95 & at the other it is $7.00 IT'S THERE CHOICE. Like I said, if you do not like the free enterprise system, GET OUT OF IT! Apparently competition and other businesses besides your own encapsulates your mind to the point of obsession.

    Let me ask you an honest question. Let's just say that a mandatory price of $475 was set for all Taxidermy Whitetails. How many of these people paying $250-$350 for a whitetail do you think would bite the bullet and pay the extra $125-$225 dollars for a shoulder mount ??? My guess is maybe 5% if that. You see, it's a market and these people are in the market for a cheap mount. They are not concerned about the $475-$500 deer mount with nictating membranes & deep septums, they are only concerned with getting their head on the wall with hair still attached.

    I got another question, why would you want the customer who is only going to badger you about your higher price ??? We have a stressful job anyways, why would we want to deal with a customer who no matter how good you do thinks you are sticking vaseline in his ass why he writes the check.

    I had 5 calls Monday asking about price on a deer head......I did not get one of those mounts. Why should that upset me. For some reason it does not.
  11. pyeager1

    pyeager1 Active Member

    Hey "mk" why don't you call your hometown boy obama and request a taxidermy pricing czar? ;D
  12. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    LMAO "ol man". For someone who looks as is he's been run hard and hung up wet a few times too many, you're calling me an "ol man". Damn, I do take that as a compliment. LOL BTW Ron, you're doing it again.
  13. mk

    mk -30 below

    Well, looks as if georges cult following is coming on here strong. LOL.

    Mike, i'll be that $7 burger is a better burger than the $4 one and maybe your also paying for atmosphere and service. I don't know I'm not in the resturaunt biz.

    Now i gurantee you If you only had those price shoppers come to your shop to check you out - you would have gotten the business. thats the damn problem i've been preaching on here is that the public doesn't know what the hell the difference is between a good and bad mount they don't know that everyone is different. they wouldn't be able to tell your quality against say bill yox or coonhunters on here--unless they are educated. sorry new hunters popping up all the time and old ones out there that finally got something. Someone spends $3,000 on a hunt and then its price shopping time for others its not true.

    The public does know the difference between a dollar burger and a nice burger from some resturant-why cause people eat all the damn time thats why. Are people going out to eat all the time at a nicer place, hell no unless its a special occasion. I dont know maybe its just me but when you take a nice deer I would assume its a special occasion. shit brother - how many times you had guys bring you mounts to be redone cause they price shopped 1st then got burned or what they payed for, but if they knew that in the beginning they woulda just had you do the damn mount in the 1st place.

    Now if you look in this other thread http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,129883.0/topicseen.html you can see where trophy specialist got these customers into his shop based on a low price first ----then showed them a quality mount that had a higher price tag attached. and looks as if 99% not your 5% choose for the higher quality mount once they were educated on it.

    Hey yeager any clan meatings lately. LMAO.
  14. pyeager1

    pyeager1 Active Member

    You spelled it wrong dumbass! It's "Klan". The answer is NO. ;)
  15. deerhunt1985

    deerhunt1985 Only dead fish go with the flow

    9 pages long?still no solution?guess we'll try again again in a few weeks..pshhhh
  16. mk

    mk -30 below

    LMAO, you would know. ;D
  17. deerhunt1985

    deerhunt1985 Only dead fish go with the flow

    when i bid a job for someone i know theres always the chance that someone may out bid me, hell ive lowballed sometimes just so i could afford to pay my help, so that he can eat and have money in his pocket.....sometimes theres gonna be things you dont like.....i dont like doing a job for just enought to pay someone else, but its right......i'll take one thing back...Theres ALWAYS gonna be things you dont like....theres no need in argueing about something this stupid

    I dont plan on trying to take in taxidermy work for a good little while,why? because i want to be able to compete! NO i wont do a deer for 300.00 either..but unlike some(and no IM NOT saying anyones name)i will plan and do my homework,and be organized,ect,ect.ect. some people are gonna do what they wanna. alot will fail, but i dont plan on it you shouldnt either, it is what it is.......

    dont remember who said it...but theres actually a lowballers market i would say..."if its got my horns on it, and theres hair on"its a deer......hang in there,DO YOUR JOB, and dont worry about ANYONE ELSE.


  18. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    As is the case in most of your analogies you are wrong AGAIN Matt. Hruska’s Store and Bakery, Ellinger, Cheeseburger was ranked #42 among "Texas Monthly’s 50 BEST HAMBURGERS IN TEXAS" They are the $4 cheeseburger located 2 blocks from my humble cottage

    You sure ass-u-me alot Matt & it shows.

    I got another question Matt. A guy charging $350 for a deer head is charging roughly 25% less than a guy charging $475. While I am sitting here multitasking watching the Texas-Texas A&M game, playing on Taxidermy.net, I am also ordering supplies & I came across something really intresting ::) I am looking at Jetz Taxidermy supply to order some Muledeer forms & their cost is roughly 32% LESS that the cost of McKenzies Muledeer forms.....a much larger percentage difference than the so called lowballer in our industry is charging.

    My question is....."is it FAIR what Jetz is doing...you know, charging so much less than the competition ' Why or why not in your opinion.

    (By the way, I would order Jetz Muledeer over McKenzies even if they were higher cost)

    I don't see where he is doing all that great and he is still griping about Michigans economy. I still say 5%
  19. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Dont mix retail sales with services when arguing these silly topics ;)
  20. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    Bill, I am SELLING my product and price everyday, it is actually a very good example.