I have just skinned out my first two Ringneck Pheasants. I am a newbie and have beens studying on this site, reading Breakthrough manuals, watching videos etc for the last year. Anyways, the skinning and fleshing of both cock birds went very well (had some trouble with wattles). After skinning I measured the carcass of both birds so I could order my forms and have come up with some small measurements some how. They are willd shot Kansas birds seem mature with long spurs. The measurements are #1 - 6"x11" and #2 - 5"x11" I have found one form that may work for #1 at Vandykes but not to impressed with Vandykes forms except for Danny Ownens. For #2 most forms are much bigger. I have checked Mckenzie and WASCO as well. Anbody have any advice? Maybe I should just wrap my own? Never done that but not opposed to try. Also I am using artificial heads and had some trouble with skining the head from the beak. lost a few of those small feathers in the nasal area. It was hard to start the seperation of the skin at the beak. Any tips for that method? It was not as easy as a duck! Thanks for all your help with this, I can not live without this forum and enjoy looking at everyones boids. I will have to post some pictures when I get them mounted up.