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Can bacteria be transfered??

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by rock hunter, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. I am having some slippage problems on some of my capes this year. I was wondering if you can transfer the bacteria from one tanning bucket to another. I use kt pickling/tanning solution.
     
  2. redwolf

    redwolf Active Member

    Re: Can bacteria be transfered.

    Yes it can. A good cleaning of the bucket with bleach will take care of it, but it needs to be rinsed good.
     

  3. Re: Can bacteria be transfered.

    I was kinda thinking of that. How do I get rid of the bacteria now that some new capes are in the bucket and are exposed to the bug. In essence, how can I treat the capes in the bucket.
     
  4. redwolf

    redwolf Active Member

    Re: Can bacteria be transfered.

    That I don't know. Bactericide can be added to either pickles or tans, but I'm not sure which.
    Hopefully someone that does know will chime in for you.
     
  5. Re: Can bacteria be transfered.

    I had the same problem, except I use saftee acid so I called my instructor that taught me taxidermy. ( NORTHWOOD INSTITUTE OF TAXIDERMY ). He told me that bacteriacide would do nothing in the pickle.. What he did say was this. After salting hard, and in the rehydration process, add some bacteriacide in then. for every 5 gallons of water. 1 1/2 ounces of bacteriacide and 1 cup of salt. While you are waiting for it to hydrate, keep the water stirred up every couple hours. This is not gonna work if the cape was bad to start with though. Do not put bacteriacide in the krowtann. And the acid will deter any additional bacteria from growing. This is per Joel Zimmerman. Instructor and master taxidermist. He's been doing this for about 35 years. The first instructor of PA Institute of Taxidermy. He and Dan Bantly went to Rhinehart School back in the '70's. I tend to believe what he says.
     
  6. redwolf

    redwolf Active Member

    That makes sense. I just remember reading somewhere on directions on a pickle or tan that bactericide can be added.
     
  7. lysol? ???
     
  8. Lysol will work but you'll never get that scent out of your cape. Find a scent free Lysol and it will be great but bacteriacide is not a lot in the catalogs. Also use it in your final rinse before you mount it up.

    Rick
     
  9. Mr.T

    Mr.T Active Member

    I don't think it can spread. A tannery that tans or pickles hundreds of capes at once, some of them bound to be rotten, one bad drum would ruin them all,, and that doesn't happen.
     
  10. dwstex38

    dwstex38 New Member

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    Bacteria are ubiquitous in every habitat on Earth, growing in soil, acidic hot springs, radioactive waste, water, and deep in the Earth's crust, as well as in organic matter and the live bodies of plants and animals.So it doesnt really spread its already there just grows when there is nothing to fight it such as your immune system or that of an animals.So when you die you immediately start decomposing due to bacteria multipying. Same as the skins your are trying to preserve.So I would say no you cant transfer something that is already there.
     
  11. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    Your "copy-paste" can be found in Wikipedia...

    http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=199258.0;num_replies=9


    and....if you don't think that it can be transfered, ask any health professional how gonorrhea, tuberculosis, staph or strep infections are spread. Some bacteria is spread by contact, some are airborne.

    If your shop is "squeaky clean" you can still have bacteria attacking your hides. If it is a pig sty with blood stains and rotting carcasses you are more likely to have problems.

    Save the lysol for cleaning your shop floors, tables and sinks..
     
  12. bowkill

    bowkill New Member

    Cyclone is right it does spread especially once it starts to grow but another question cyclone that I don't know, isn't that the point of the pickle a low enough PH that the bacteria growth is slowed down similar to keeping it out of the danger zone (40-140deg.). So it would have to start growing the bacteria before it reached the pickle, and the bucket if kept at the right PH wouldn't allow the bacteria to grow further?
     
  13. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    The primary purpose of a pickle in tanning is to get the collagen fibers with in the hide ready to accept the tanning agents. There are a few secondary advantages of a pickle as well. Low pH will indeed kill off many bacteria, but some simply go dormant or encapsulate. Ever see "mother" in a bottle of vinegar? Simply the bacteria still working. Vinegar has a pH of about 2.4.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_vinegar

    Bacteria can begin to grow again if the correct conditions are met. It is true that most bacterial action causes the damage before ever reaching the pickle. But it can continue to grow when pickling.
     
  14. dwstex38

    dwstex38 New Member

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    Yes but we are speaking in the context from hide to hide not penis to vagina. All hides have bacteria and your not going to make it worse from hide to hide contamination. If you have slippage something was not handled correctly as in blood stains and rotting carcasses in your shop. Thats not hide to hide contamination that dirty table to hide contamination.Im no expert JMO
     
  15. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    I disagree.

    Would you be willing to re-hydrate a perfectly good hide in the same batch with one that is half rotten?
     
  16. Mr.T

    Mr.T Active Member

    Tanneries do it everyday, they have no idea if a customers dried salted cape has slip on it or not, they batch several together.
     
  17. I spent the whole day cleaning buckets. I can see (but really foggy) of how bacteria could be transferred from bucket to hide, or hide to hide. How do I protect the capes that are in the solution now? Or Should I just cross my fingers and continue with the process and hope everything comes out well.
     
  18. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    Not purposely they wouldn't...

    RH, I see that you are using KT. It contains formic acid which in itself is an excellent bactericide. I would concentrate on the health of the hide before pickling, i.e. how it was handled. I would also make sure that the buckets were large enough to float the capes sufficiently. You must be sure that the pickle is getting to all parts of the hides evenly. This involves large enough liquid volumes as well as stirring often.

    If I understand correctly, KT also calls for no salting step before pickling? No way that I would do that.. I would skin, flesh, salt, shake and salt again. Re-hydrate before going to the KT..
     
  19. dwstex38

    dwstex38 New Member

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    Why would someone with a brain do that? Thats not even rational.Of course if you put something with something that is rotten is goin to contaminate but im assuming rockhound is smarter than that.
     
  20. I skin, flesh, freeze, thaw, then put into KT. I use a new bucket and a new batch of kt every time one hide per bucket. Just getting some occasional slip. Thought it might be the bucket transfer not rinsing well enough.