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Annual DNR check (2 1/2 hours)

Discussion in 'Bird Taxidermy' started by trophy, Mar 2, 2007.

  1. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    You're right what I do I know about running business(es). Been just going through the motions for a quarter of a century. Go gettem Rambo. ;)

    :D :D :D
  2. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Cecil, think about just how silly that sounds. I don't do ANYTHING the way I did 25 years ago and neither do you. People who're stuck in the past end up b eind up being left there.

  3. bill@hogheaven

    [email protected] New Member

    Well I found & copied the court decision & suggest that any one who doesnt want his rights trampled to do the same. Ther will be no warrentless searches here.
  4. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Good point George. And like I said you guys are technically correct although I would guess in some other states it would come down to a court case.

    My point is I'm not sure what some of your believers know what they can get into by pounding their chests and going toe to toe with a law enforcement officer. As we all know some of them are real dickheads and can make your life stressful and financially draining if you have to hire an attorney.

    I won't say anymore. I've made my point. And I will post the shower's case in my shop too if only to see what their reaction to it is.
  5. trophy

    trophy New Member

    Hey, just had my Dnr officer follow up and was gonna give me a warning at first for not having my oo' log book handy at the time of the first inspection for the animal in question. After talking a bit not being stand offish he felt I did not need one after seeing everything was in order. I passed the Showers info off to him only to receive a call a hour ltr stating by signing my permit that allows them the right for the inspection of my "crib" (freezer) and place where antlers are being stored. If permission is not granted there is a form they fill out that gets sent into I beleive the wildlife division that revokes your license. No need to comment back thats simply what he stated. No its not asking the robber if he's allowed to rob me either.Regardless of the fact my final inspection went well. In Maryland thats how it is set up according to him. In the future my inspection will be alot better according to him now he knows who he's dealing with. Iam deffinatly not the only one that went through this, locally someone else has over 2 hundred violations pending. Thanks for the info even if I handled it wrong in some eyes but the end result works for me.

    Keep on stuffing,
  6. BeckyBird

    BeckyBird My Baby Bluebirds

    Another question....is there a difference between an inspection from a State officer, and an inspection from a Federal officer? Do the Federal officers have any more rights than State officers? I deal almost entirely with birds, so I'd like to be prepared for an inspecion from any officer!
  7. Those who so easily give up are the same people who will give up their guns someday soon.

    If we taxidermist dont standup and stand together then we become the victim and then who do we blame.

    Reach down and if your male grab your balls be a man and do the right thing and thats not submitting to unwarranted searchs. Warrants must be specific to who what when and where, not some generalized notiion.
  8. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    John I just reached down and checked and my balls are still there. What do i do next? ???
  9. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Cecil, you know what to do. Hang them back on that nail by the door until your wife tells you it's OK to take them down and go out with the guys. You know, just like the rest of us have to do.
  10. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    :D :D :D
  11. toms

    toms New Member

    what ever happened to warden spangler??????is he still working for the game commission??? thanks
  12. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    He's probably a taxidermist now. :D :D :D (If you can't beat 'em join 'em.)
  13. lastwiseone

    lastwiseone New Member

    Hey Paul,
    I think I have a good idea for a seminar at the P.T.A. Convention in 2008. Your duck seminar was excellent, by the way. Do you think you would like to do one on this subject? I think we all need it. And yes I will help in anyway I can. Thanks Tom
  14. richgr

    richgr Member

    I can't speak for laws in other states but in Illinois if it is in your shop it must be in your book no matter how old it is..therefore the topic that started this off with the antlers from 00 would legally have to be in a log book. be it a new book or old.
  15. Paul C

    Paul C New Member

    Rich, you're missing the entire point George and I have been trying to get across. Our point is that the law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The Federal Government only requires you to keep taxidermy records for a period of five years. The IRS can only audit you back 7 years. Are you saying that the STATE of Illinois can supercede the Federal Government?

    It is VERY clear that taxidermists are extremely apathetic on just about everything. Being apathetic about your basic civil rights is just plain ignorant. But, if that's how you want to go through life.....
  16. S.L.Steele

    S.L.Steele New Member

    I have sat and read all of this with much interest. I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone who offered an opinion; however, I must tell you:

    Something very, very similar to what you are describing, Trophy, happend to my partner and I the last part of December. Because the "court case" is not complete I cannot go into details. Let me say just this... I stood up for my "Constitutional Rights". I know the law and I know what can and cannot be done by law enforcement. Therefore, when appoached by two officers I reminded them of my rights. Ten minutes later I was in cuffs; one hour later I was in jail; ten hours later I was still in jail; 13 hours later I was walking out of jail. MY RIGHTS HAD/HAVE BEEN VIOLATED... I get one of the best attorneys in central Florida. AWSOME.. and guess what... I can prove the officer's report is a lie.. I CAN PROVE IT; yet because of the way the officers wrote their report.. TOTALLY BOGUS... there is legally NOTHING I can do. Rights? Innocent until proven guilty? HA! Path of least resistance.. would that be the one that has not cost me nearly 3000 dollars in legal fees? Hmmmm.... Maybe!
  17. BeckyBird

    BeckyBird My Baby Bluebirds

    Steele, that is just awful! I am so sorry for what you have gone through. I don't want to start a debate or anything here, but I believe that we really don't have the rights we all Think we are supposed to have. We are taught that the justice system is fair, but it is in fact the exact Opposite!!
  18. sarah

    sarah New Member

    I have a question I have my state tag and i dont do birds I still keep records of everything i do but i work out of my house too does that mean they can look in my freezer oh by the way our local game warden is a *#^%#* but it is my understanding they have more jurisdition then a state police officer
  19. mdupertuis

    mdupertuis Active Member

    Threads like this are great, because they get everyone thinking. I am definitely reading the North Carolina rules and making sure everything I do is in order. Being prepared ahead of time for their inspection is the key. I get inspected all the time in the Air Force, and I also inspect alot of other people's programs. I know when I am inspecting if the person I am looking at appears to have things in order, I don't look near as closely. If I find little things wrong, I always look deeper. Granted, the military is different, but the fundamental ideas are the same. So my take away from this thread is that I am going to know the law, and I am going to make sure my books are in order at all times. Damn, I thought when I retired from the military the inspections would end..........
  20. sarah

    sarah New Member

    can anyone from missouri tell me about there run ins and expieriances with the game wardens I havent had any run ins yet knock on wood