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First Kudu Mount

Discussion in 'Deer and Gameheads' started by margip, Aug 1, 2010.

  1. margip

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    Just mounted my first kudu yesterday. This was a very interesting experience. Let me know what you think.
     

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  2. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    I think you did an exceptional job on it. The only thing I would offer is the shape of the nose. IMO, the top center of the nose looks pulled rearward. The kudu I've seen seem to have a "heart shaped" nose with a bit of a dip in the nose centerline. Some of the experts will let us both know about that I'm sure.
     

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    Upper lip pulled out a little to much, that is where you get your nose distortion
    Bottom lip needs adjustment
    Left ear is hanging a little ...set it a tad deeper and the it will stand more like the other, you tried to drop them off the horns even but it's in the base set that makes it look like it's hanging down
    Ear Buts to low
    Hair in ear not lying correct
    I'd work the skin betwen the eyes and get that white band a llittle more symmetrical
    The front corner of the right eye is tucked a little higher than the left

    There is Nothing wrong with this as a commercial mount and as A first one
    IT" S NICE
    What earliners did you use ????
    You need to use Van Dykes they are more pen and have a nice shape.
    KUDU are all ears.....
     
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    Thanks George and Dennis. I appreciate the points and will definitely try and make the adjustments. The ears are bondo and I'll try and post side view of the earbutts tomorrow. I hope to be doing some more african work soon and can really benefit from the input. Thanks again guys.
     
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    Use an earliner on a kudu
    YOu have to to get it look more open.

    Get that nose skin off , pull it out of the nasal opening and add some clay under it so soften it up and puff it up on the wings

    And you BETTER be charging 1100 to 1200 for your KUDU"S ;)
     
  7. LordRusty

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    A lot of the points brought up by George and Dennis has much to do with the age of the animal as well as what the nostrils are doing at one moment in time.

    As seen here, these young male Kudu, have a finer nose pad ... finer in it's structure and makeup, in that the skin itself is finer and not as tough as in an older, more battle hardened Kudu Bull. Notice too, the younger Kudu Bull has much finer features.
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    The height of the nostril wings are caused by the fact that this young bull is sniffing in the scent of whatever got his attention, enhancing the heart shape of the nostrils.
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    In this older, mature Kudu Bull, the nose pad does not have the extreme heart shape as in the younger specimen. It has a slight dip at the center top, but not by all that much. His nose pad, as his entire face, has a more hardened appearance. Oh ... and notice he - like the first younger Kudu Bull - is showing substantial front lower lip skin. Just like Whitetail Deer, this features shows or does not show ... meaning, both are correct!
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    What needs adjusting more than anything right now, is the center upper lip cleft, or "Philtrum", the bare skin that runs from the nose pad down to the upper lip. It needs to be drawn closer together, and the cleft itself needs to be made a bit deeper. Just study the references.

    Another mature bull from a more profile angle showing less heart shape on the upper nose pad, but still exhibiting a slight dip in this detail.
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    In all the animals, however, do take note of the size of the openness of the ear overall, as well as the placement of the ear on the head, including the mass and structure of the ear butts. Also take not of the placement and shape of the front edge of the upper ear where it comes up from the skull, and how symmetrical this is on both ears. Those on your mount are off, the right ear not matching the left, which has the closer to correct shape.

    This shot should help in locating the ear placement from a side view. While this is an adult bull, he is not as old as the first two mature Kudu Bulls shown, thus his finer facial features, and finer nose pad. He too, is also taking in a scent of whatever caught his attention, raising the nostril wings.
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    This should offer anyone up a nice view of the placement of the ear butt from the rear view, in both the forward and rearward facing directions.
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    If you can make these adjustments on this one, or your next Kudu mount you'll be ahead of the game. And by all means, you need to buy and use good, clear reference photos. The photo set I sell have all the shots any Wildlife Artist needs to recreate the specimen at hand. Better than what you'll find on the web.

    I am also in total agreement with using earliners on Kudu, and all African for that matter ... as a point, I use earliners in all my mammal mounts! Matuska Taxidermy Supply sells the earliners created by the late Gary Zehner, and they are some of the very best I have ever seen out there! Those sold by Research Mannikins would be my second choice.

    Overall, this mount is a fine one for commercial purposes. Any Hunter would be proud to put this animal on his or her wall, and for you first Kudu mount, you did an admirable job! Keep up the good work, and best of luck to you!

    John.
     
  8. I like the mount, Margip. Nice job.

    Great pics, John. You always post amazing pics.
     
  9. I am not a African specialist, just like looking at the mounts, but to me it looks like the horn placement seems to be twisted. It looks like the right horn is back farther than the left. Could be the picture I guess. Cool looking mount by the way!
     
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    All I care about now is seeing the spread on this guy
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    He's gotta be unbelievably wide....
     
  11. LordRusty

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    You should care more about the references! It'll improve your work. ;) All the horns and antlers do is sit on top of the work! ::) But ... here you go ...
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    I like how the tips of the horns curve back and away out of sight.

    John.
     
  12. SR1

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    That there is a beautiful pic of a great animal.
     
  13. Grafton

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    Great photos as always, John. I would agree with the comments by Dennis, John and others. Very good for a first Kudu though. The two things that jump out at me first are that the ear butts look too low and he looks a little sleepy. Perhaps a tad too much clay in upper lid area or you could raise the top corner of the lid a little for more of the "I see you!" alert look.

    Another thing to mention is the dewlap under the chin on mature bulls. This is not on the form and must be shaped with clay. If you do not put this feature in you will most likely end up with a lot of extra skin in the chin/throat area that will be a pain to taxi away. Several of John's photos show this hanging skin under the jaw very well. Also clay the lip area pretty heavy to get that soft, almost prehensile, horsey looking lip that kudu have. If you are wondering if you should clay a certain area of a form, look and study reference photos. If an area of the face looks "hard" do not clay that part of the form. If an area looks "soft", clay it. Experiment with this a little at a time, maybe concentrating on one feature you notice on each mount you do. This way you will learn how much your clay shrinks and how much to use to get the look you want. Use plenty of hide paste on these clayed areas as the clay will suck it up. For body wrinkles or large areas of "loose looking skin" a vermiculite/hide paste mix works better for me than clay. A little harder to work with but shrinks less and is much lighter.

    That kudu mount will look much better when your painting /finishing is all done. There is quite a lot of painting/finish work that needs to be done on the body, face and horns.

    Again, great job on a first Kudu!
     
  14. Another thing to look for after going over all the details of the face and ears is the brisket. If you look at the photo showing the full bust you will notice the brisket is much narrower and also take note of the skin folds and tie in were the transition is from the forlegs to the brisket. This is an area that on allot of McKenzie's forms are way wrong. I realize that it is just commercial taxidermy but if you take a little extra time, maybe on one for yourself, or for your showroom you will really start to pull it all together, even on big bulls you will notice that the shoulders and brisket are a little bit more narrow than what most forms offer, but you are certainly on your way.
     
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    Thanks John
    Won me some money off that one
    I bet he was a 40' wide slob
    He is... ;D

    John my commercial work is just fine...

    Ask Mr T, I have lots of reference.
    Don't you go worrying yourself over that now..... ;D
     
  16. margip

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    I think you're right on about the brisket width. But if you think about it, just about every mannikin out there has this problem, no matter what species it is. There are a few sculptors out there who do a better job than others in correct anatomy, but for the most part, they're more or less putting out a product that is pleasing to look at,and that gives a pleasing appearance once the animal is mounted. In other words it's easier to sell something that "looks good" than something that is anatomically correct and looks a little odd. Same thing with our mounts. (ex: which would most of our customers rather see?-a clean , neat , well groomed, perfectly done piece, or- a depiction of what the animal really looked like just before the trigger was pulled?- dirty, wet, matted hair, tear ducts full of crud, mouth full of cud, etc.? Let's face it, we all want the best we can get. And we should strive for that. I certainly would rather make the alterations for my own mount in the attempt to properly reflect the live animal, and would also do the same for a customer who wanted to invest a little more.
     
  17. LordRusty

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    Now that all depends on where you get your head forms. Some of the best I have seen of late are coming from Hauser-Tierforman, in Germany! Just look at this bull Kudu, and the termite mound pedestal base!
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    For now, I would suggest making the alterations from the "standard" to the correct. You'll be amazed how much easier the skins fit when they are adjusted to a form that is correct! Right now, you just pull the skin behind and tack it up. Tuck those arm pits, and just see the difference you will have in the fit and feel of the mount! ;) Good luck to you!

    And Dennis ... that wasn't so much directed at you, as the readers in general. Although after rereading my post, I understand!

    John.
     
  18. Grafton

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    I like the looks of that form John. Looks like they have a gemsbok available on the same base (pictures on their website). Have you used these forms yet? Anybody selling them in the US or do they have to be imported from the manufacturer? The termite mound looks pretty good too.
     
  19. after the shot

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    Nice pics thanks
     
  20. LordRusty

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    Grafton, I've not used them yet, and I don't know if anyone here is carrying them.

    They have too many forms that I love! I have to get some of them.
    Springbok
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    Cape Buffalo
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    Black Wildebeest; White-Tailed Gnu
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    Eland ... one of the best I've seen!
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    Hartebeest
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    Gemsbok
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    And they have the only Mountain Zebra headforms I have ever found. I believe Jonas carried one or two at one time, but - sadly - no longer.
    Absolutely FANTASTIC facial detail!!!
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    And their lifesize mannikins are spectacular! Their sculptor(s) have a real feel and a great eye!

    Yeah ... I've got to get some of these headforms!

    John.