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First Articulation: Red-Tailed Hawk

Discussion in 'Skulls and Skeletons' started by benjhind, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Ah, sea wolf beat me to the offer!

    I think Lee read this thread to see the areas where I ran into trouble. I sent him the link, but it was not my intention to provide him a critique from my very novice experience! If it was helpful, I suppose I'm happy to have contributed.

    Sea wolf, FYI Wouter already is referenced a number of times in the bird book ;)
     
  2. native

    native New Member

    this is an awesome thread. I don't know the names of all of the bones and it seems you have to be a surgeon to know them but I am taking interest in articulation and will be referring back to this and those of you who are the masters of articulation. I have a swan currently being mailed to me for articulation, I'm a bit nervous about it.
     

  3. ihoppancakes

    ihoppancakes New Member

    Sounds like an awesome project, Native! Be sure to post lots of pics when you begin and update everyone as you work on it. I'm sure plenty of people here would be glad to give advice and tips as you go along, and we'd all love to see it.
     
  4. Hey Native - If you buy the book you'll have all the bone names in front of you! Good luck with the swan.
     
  5. Ben,

    This post is wonderful! Thank you for sharing! May I ask how you connected the skeleton together? What kind of wire did you use and what gage? Did you use glue or wire for all the joints. Did you drill holes? I'd also love to know what your process for preparing the bones was. Maceration? Beattles? Degreasing, etc!

    - Emz
     
  6. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    Poor Ben was last on here November 22, 2012. No email address listed so not sure how you would contact him.
     
  7. Not to worry Wolfie, the setting that sends replies via email is still working!

    Poor Ben has too many great things going on in his life to spend much time building skeletons these days - new job, new house, and new baby!

    Emz, thanks for your kind words. Most bones are simply glued with white-glue. Load-bearing joints were pinned with wire and glued. I used a few sizes of wire depending on the size of bone. Not sure on the sizes, but I know No. 9 fencing wire and high-tensile fencing wire are both in there somewhere - mostly what I had on hand. Holes were drilled appropriate to the wire size. I macerated and degreased both in a cooler with an aquarium heater.

    Cheers,
    Ben
     
  8. AH7

    AH7 New Member

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    Welcome back Ben and congrats on all the life changes.
     
  9. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    Hah .. I figured a baby was in the works because of the pictures I found on your site when I back tracked from the hawk pictures. :) Welcome back. Saw baby pics and went, "Yep .. someone has his hands full."
     
  10. Hi Folks,

    Thanks for the kind words. Wolfie, I had to check my photobucket account to see for myself! That baby picture is of our first, the recent addition is actually #3. Hopefully after turkey season, and finishing the kitchen, and replacing the roof, and building the garage, I'll have a little time for bones again!

    Cheers,
    Ben
     
  11. Thanks Ben! Glad I dragged you back! Hopefully life will settle down for you here soon!
     
  12. Handmaiden

    Handmaiden New Member

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    Hi ..I just registered here, & this is my first comment post.
    I'm wondering if anyone from this conversation is still active to discuss
    this subject.
    Thanks, Jen
     
  13. AH7

    AH7 New Member

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    Hi Jen,

    Most of us are still around.
     
  14. Handmaiden

    Handmaiden New Member

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    Thanks for replying, that's great to know! I will certainly be having questions & I'm so glad to have found this forum.
    I have no experience other than I've always collected dead things & sometimes I clean them up;) ...but this bird is special and I want to honor it by putting it back together, & finally get my feet wet with something I've always wanted to learn how to do.
    My first & main concern is screwing it up & then becoming discouraged.
    I don't know where to begin & don't want to just wing it alone with Internet, because I have a bad habit of diving into projects & hoping for the best, then having to work backwards if I make mistakes; but I know with this one the risk of losing irreplaceable parts is to high for me to do that, so I want to be very careful here.
    Can you recommend a beginners book &/or a comprehensive website to at least get me started?
    And please feel free to offer any & all advice you have for me, especially on the "Don'ts"
    Thanks, Jen
     
  15. I'm still around here somewhere, but the hawk fell off a shelf and bit the dust! It is in pieces in a shoebox on the shelf now patiently awaiting my attention.

    Get the bird building book by Lee Post. I would not have gotten anywhere without it!
     
  16. Handmaiden

    Handmaiden New Member

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    Thanks for the book lead!
    Is there a mechanism for receiving notifications on here? Or do ya just have to keep checking back in? I'm finding navigating around this site a bit challenging
     
  17. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    Navigating isn't too hard once you get used to it. Best thing to use is the "Advanced Search". Not the regular one at the top of this page. The Advanced Search allows you to select only certain forum areas and is a lot better at using your search terms. There is a wealth of information on here. As for books, The Bone Building books are great. http://www.theboneman.com/. I have several of them and they are very good.

    Don't hesitate to ask questions on here. You can even try searching for something like "bird skeleton articulation" or something similar. There are several avian skeletons done on here and more than one has a start to finish set of pictures. There are several bird artists on here that do incredible work.

    Depending on how "special" your bird is (hint if it is a raptor or native bird) it is probably wise not to say what you are working on. Raptors especially and most any other native bird are all illegal to work with.

    For your message settings, click on the "messages" link to the right of your name. You will see a box marked "Preferences" and you can set it to send email notifications from there.
     
  18. Handmaiden

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    @ Sea Wolf
    Thanks for the info I'm excited & nervous to get this going once everything is finished cleaning. One initial question I have before I go to far, is that during my first degreasing some of the claw sheaths were softened so much that they came off either completely or partially; some are still in tact though & even with subsequent soakings are still hanging tough- -is there something stronger I can use to remove the rest with, or is patience the more simple solution? I would've preferred them to have remained, so I'm a little disappointed.
     
  19. Just a note that laws vary between jurisdictions and my hawk is perfectly legal =)

    I macerate my specimens and a couple of days will loosen the beak and talons enough that they can be pulled off. Prolonged soaking causes disintegration in my experience. Try working a needle underneath to free them.
     
  20. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    As Ben said. Once the claws are softened you should be able to slide them off. During maceration this is usually on the second or third day. I hope you kept the pieces as you might be able to get them mostly back together. Degreasing will continue to soften them and they might disintegrate further.