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Just watched Mounted in Alaska

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by Shawn73, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. Mr.T

    Mr.T Active Member

    I think the days of Sam's titles,, were in the days when the competition was as stiff as the special Olympics.
     
  2. LordRusty

    LordRusty If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

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    I posted this in the Taxidermy Industry section, but it seems appropriate to put it in here as well!

    IT'S TELEVISION! IT IS NOT REAL!!! IT IS MADE UP FOR THE DRAMA. IT'S CALLED EDITING!!!!

    As for the two mounts ... yeah, the Leopard ... NFG - No .... Good - and if you know me at all, you can fill in the blank. The Red Stag ... very nice looking mount. But seriously ... what the ? How deep do they want the frigging septum when a flashlight can't even get its beam that high. What's next ... asking if the lungs were recreated in the chest?

    That said ... SCI competitions are VERY different. The judges can "claim" NTA criteria FOR THE CAMERAS, but the truth is they are more lenient than anything you've seen before. This is more of a "trophy" competition than anything else. Not only Taxidermists, but clients roam freely. They ask that the judges not be disturbed, but it is a different animal.

    Okay ... this is the second piece from the self-proclaimed "cat man" that has a serious problem with the right eye rolling outward. I mentioned this same thing with the Lion. The right eye pupil was also tilting up some ... noticeably. On a "commercial" mount maybe passable for some - not me - but for a comp piece ... bad, bad! The neck ... too frigging long and with no real shape, the mouth billowing out at the sides ... even RJ mentioned the mouth to him ... you can't do squat about the scars, and that should not have been an issue and was probably made an issue for the cameras. Remember it was a major sticking point throughout the entire episode ... so culminate that with the judge "mentioning it" at the show ... go figure. Maybe Sam should just "squeal like a piggy" and leave the Cats to Aaron.

    It was something else though to see Russ in that Penguin Suit! LOL! Overall, the SCI Competition looked like a pretty well run and organized event. There were some real nice mounts there as well.

    I enjoyed the episode. Even with the editing, and the nonesense making it look like the wet mount was heading over to the competition. I realized it was bulls,hit once I saw the guys applying paint to their mounts! I remember judging wet mounts once ... there was no ribbon awarded to the piece either. That's was a fatal flaw back then, and I would hope it still is. I don't know if they accept wet mounts in the SCI, but like I said, there was finishing and painting going on with those featured mounts. Hooray for Hollywood? ::) :-\

    John.
     

  3. LordRusty

    LordRusty If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

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    Uh ... excuse me? If anything, competitions have become WAY more lax today than ever before ... prime examples are ... well, you know what I've spoken of ... seams visible from ten feet away, unrealistic facial expressions, wow over detail AND anatomical accuracy because of 'art' - short for Aurthur by the way. Competitions today are a [expletive deleted]ing joke! They are nothing more than popularity contests. They are as real as reality television! If you decide to 'play ball' they'll "make you famous" ... kind of like Billy the Kid would tell his victims in "Young Guns".

    John.
     
  4. akmike

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    my take on the show was very disappointing because Knights sent out in the mail bring your mounts down to the SCI banquet and get them on TV and also have a good display. we saw 2 less then perfect mounts out of a lot of very good ones, even ones that got BLUE ribbons . there was a red stag directly behind the one in the show that got a red ribbon and a leopard with a baboon that got a blue and a very cool goat mount on top of a rock 10 ft tall . not to mention a lion that took best judge's award they should have shown more of the mounts so people can see there are more than knights taxidermy in Alaska I KNOW IT IS ABOUT knights taxidermy BUT to many people are saying more sub par work in Alaska. so you talk about helping the industry could have done more!
     
  5. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Mike, there you go with the "ugly baby" syndrome. I don't know Russ personally, I don't know anyone at the History Channel, but I do know that Russ is NOT the editor or in control of the "story board" which all shows use to tie singular events together.

    Russ MAY have sent out those fliers, but I can't see anyone imagining his mount, among the dozens there, would be used exclusively to step on that "story board". Russ contacted you as a representative and a show host for SCI. He wasn't cheating you about an OPPORTUNITY to have your mount shown, and certainly according to what we say, RJ didn't give anyone the impression that Russ's production work was getting any great advantage.

    I guess I'm just incapable of understanding why everyone likes to claim ownership or at least a seat on the bus for this television show. You KNOW Russ was picked for many reasons. He's articulate, he runs a big shop, he's a good business man, he presents a good image for the camera, he runs one of the bigger shops in Anchorage, and LASTLY, HE'S IN ALASKA . If they were looking for the biggest and best known, then I suppose Animal Artistry or Wildlife Gallery would have busted our chops. We can only presume ALASKA was the key part in excusing the blood and guts "bloodsport" mentality for the viewing public. Try that crap in downtown Manhattan and watch Ingrid Newkirk marching back and forth between cameras.
     
  6. akmike

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    you missed my point they could have made a better show of it by showing all the stuff that was there by a simple SLOW scan of all the mounts ! If nothing else it could maybe bring a few more people in next year to just see the mounts or maybe even bid on a few things in the banquet . I know Russ and deal with him often he is pretty much who you see on TV . If there is a hunter coming to Alaska to hunt after what Ive seen so far I would be taking it back home instead of leaving it here to be mounted . you have been bumping your gums about helping the industry !!! could have done better. All I see is sub par animals getting sub par work done .
     
  7. bubba z

    bubba z New Member

    That would make a better show if your a taxidermist but I don't think they want to limit their viewers. This is a taxidermy soap opera not an instructional DVD .
     
  8. timberlandtaxidermy

    timberlandtaxidermy Taxidermy Instructor NTA Certified Judge

    What makes you think I was referring to your bear ?:)
    If I was concerned that "someone" might see what I post, I guess I wouldn't have posted!
    I guess that's the risk we take using a public forum:)

    By the way, congrats on your bear at the Utah show....
     
  9. gab

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  10. RTF

    RTF Active Member

    Loved the Stag !
     
  11. trappersteph

    trappersteph now you can have it...

    Perhaps they should have picked a DE taxidermist for the show? LOL ( I know I know, George would never allow TV crews to set up at his shop, unless the show theme was "bitching curmudgeons doing taxidermy" so he could get it out there everything he enjoys complaining about LOL)

    I too was wondering WTH with these comp mounts, but realized it was just the drama crap. As to the leopard, I'm not exactly a cat specialist, but even I saw something was "wrong" with the mount. The red stag and lord derby however looked fantastic, though I'm not sure on the earbutt set of the lord derby, they looked a little low set, but I don't have live refernece in front of me.

    The last time I was at a comp was probably about 1998, and I recall judges being pretty darn picky with my mounts. They would dock a point if they could feel a seam, no matter how well it was sewn and how well the fur covered it. Oh yeah, and I saw what looked like the taxidermy clique going on too, though I don't know how/why the judges would bend to that crap, but same judge I had judged some stuff that scored higher than me that didn't look all that great ( a coyote and a bobcat come to mind). I'd love to get back into competing, but I have a major issue with going anywhere further than 45 mins away and the comps are all held at places many hours away. And that is just the beginning of my problems...
     
  12. gab

    gab Active Member

    first thing i did when i got to the shop was look for lord derby reference and found nothing on the net.Mckenzie has lord derby forms,but they'rw not bigger than the common.
     
  13. bmxkid313

    bmxkid313 New Member

    im not sure if any of you noticed or not but i think i seen the lord derby at the show in the first one. i remember seeing an animal with the vein on its snout and thinking how wired it looked then i remember seeing it in the next episode.i could be wrong but go to the link to the episode below and skip to 15:38 and pause it tell me what you think.

    http://www.history.com/shows/mounted-in-alaska/videos/mounted-in-alaska-predator-vs-prey#mounted-in-alaska-predator-vs-prey
     
  14. LordRusty

    LordRusty If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

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    For Your Enjoyment and reference Library ... Study details, ear placement, eyes, skin rolls and wrinkles, dewlap, etc.

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    John.
     
  15. Ron B

    Ron B Life Sucks.....Then comes the death roll!!!!

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    Nice pictures John. One of my favorite animals, that i will never be able to afford to hunt :mad: First thing I noticed on the lord derby on the show was those HUGE ARSE veins. Do you see'em in those LIVE pictures! ;)
     
  16. AWESOME pics, John. Loved the zebra article in Breakthrough as well. =)
     
  17. John L

    John L Active Member

    Yes I saw the lion from a previous episode during SCI portion of the last show. I guess they have to film at certain stages and make it good for tv.

    John
     
  18. JEJ

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    All about the editing making it seem like they did those comp mounts in two weeks. I actually heard them mention later in the show how the customers waited a long time (think they might have said a year) for those peices. Time lapse video! Funny but we all know your not finishing a wet mount and hauling to a show. I do enjoy watching this though.
     
  19. EmG

    EmG New Member

    I watched the first episode and really enjoyed the show. All tv shows add unrealistic elements just to create interesting plotlines and such, so I don't think it's that big of a deal.
    I loved it when the guy said ,"most people look at mounts and think those are the real eyes, but they are really handpainted glass eyes." Lol, I have no idea how many times I've heard questions like, "how do you keep the eyes from getting squishy?" and things like that.
    They add in a bit of drama to it, but it at least introduces some of what it takes create a mount to people who would have never looked it up on there own. Hope to see more episodes!
     
  20. Rick Carter

    Rick Carter Administrator

    I like judging wet mounts. One time at the Southern Regionals a deer was so wet I was able to move the ears, define some earbutt muscles, do some skin alignment and groom a few hair patterns. If I had the time to do the finish work after it dried he could have gotten a second place ribbon! Another judge, Scott Ringenoldus was laying in the floor laughing his butt off at me. Sometimes you just have to stretch the envelope. I figured a beginner taking something home in better condition than it was when he mounted it couldn't hurt him.