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Any taxidermist charging over $200 per deer head is a SCAM ARTIST !!

Discussion in 'Deer and Gameheads' started by Heath Cline, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. 93ford

    93ford New Member

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    I'm not the one who made this statement. * originally said it.
     
  2. 93ford

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    I appreciate your comments and especially the reasonable, respectful way you made them. But I disagree with you. There are about 10 taxidermist within 25 miles of me charging anywhere from $250-$365. The low guys are brand new. The $365 guy bought out an old business that was doing approx. 75 deer per year for that price along with tons of other work. He left his price the same but immediately lost over half of his buiness because his work didn't support it. So, if he can't maintain loyal customers that where used to paying that, then I have no reason to think that I would maintain my numbers by raising my price. For several years, I was even cheaper and was getting upwards of 110-120 deer per year before I went to $300. Now have I reached a happy medium between price and quantity that is more manageable for me with my full time job.
     

  3. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    *******Thats an easy one...Walmart sells retail items for less. We are artists, or at least service based, not retail sales.


    "I appreciate your comments and especially the reasonable, respectful way you made them. But I disagree with you. There are about 10 taxidermist within 25 miles of me charging anywhere from $250-$365. The low guys are brand new. The $365 guy bought out an old business that was doing approx. 75 deer per year for that price along with tons of other work. He left his price the same but immediately lost over half of his buiness because his work didn't support it. So, if he can't maintain loyal customers that where used to paying that, then I have no reason to think that I would maintain my numbers by raising my price. For several years, I was even cheaper and was getting upwards of 110-120 deer per year before I went to $300. Now have I reached a happy medium between price and quantity that is more manageable for me with my full time job."

    *******Yes, but it was also you who made the scam comments.
     
  4. 93ford

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    I would probably not change my price on deer. In theory, I could charge a little less and get down to the lowballers around here and get more work which, if I didn't have a full-time job, I would have time for. If I were a full time taxidermists, I would just get into mounting more things that I don't have time or equipment for now like birds and fish.
     
  5. 93ford

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    Just to clear some things up, I never said I charged $200 and I am not on facebook. Someone else mistakenly (or purposely) stated those things to stir up trouble.
     
  6. *

    * Liberalism IS A MENTAL ILLNESS !

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    You need to re read some posts, I never said that, I would have never been that nice so again you insult me by your presence here.
    And none of the people "in your area" will ever work for more than minimum wage in this business.....You give the taxidermy business a bad name.
    and just to let you know, service and quality makes you money NOT NUMBERS of deer taken in....LOL
     
  7. 93ford

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    Please show me Bill where I made the scam comments. * started this post with the scamming comments. Not I.
     
  8. 93ford

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    Not that * really wants to see them but requested them.
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  9. 93ford

    93ford New Member

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    I stand corrected. I just looked back and seen that Heath made the original comment, but you seem to agree with him.
     
  10. trappersteph

    trappersteph now you can have it...

    Rather have 25 deer at 600.00 than 50 at 300.00= less overall work to do, less cost of materials, make same amount of money. Oh I'm sorry the 600.00 taxidermist is a scam artist.

    NO, the 600.00 taxidermist is a BUSINESS PERSON! And 99% likely to be an ARTIST, and I don't mean like modern art, but think Rennaisance and classical. Was DaVinci a scam artist?

    I went to an art school, I dunno, maybe I am an artist? Since as young as I can recall my life was art and animals. I do taxidermy because I love the art, but heck if I am going to be a starving artist. Why do plumbers get to make more money than taxidermists? So what if they deal with chit LOL, we do too- and animal urine and blood and bacteria. Heck, like a veternarian? Hey they make more money than most taxidermists.

    Walmart? Are you nuts? Did you steal some forms molds and hire illegal Mexicans to make them? Maybe your mounts are made in China and it's just cheaper that way?

    I can understand beginners charging less, I did it too, but as I get better I charge more. I spend much more time on each animal than I did 15 years ago. Why? Details, pickyness, details, ref pics, details, pickyness...
     
  11. trappersteph

    trappersteph now you can have it...

    Whoa boy I can see all the scam artists giggling at those pics already...
     
  12. Whitetailart

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  13. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    93ford, then I stand corrected. I thought that it was YOU who had made the original statement in fb about how anyone charging more than 200 was scamming people. I did lose track of who was who in all this exchange.

    If you were not the one who had originally started this, then please accept my apology.

    Now, if YOU charge $300, while I think thats much too low, I have no real right to bug you about it. My beef was with the person who intentionally called out whomever charged the $200, etc. I dont agree with $300 deerheads either, but I do get the fact that people feel they have to price them according to whats around them, and not to what they feel they are worth. I have always felt that guys doing taxidermy on the side ought to at least charge the going rate, as its premium time away from family that theyre using for that second job for extra money. Again, my comments were aimned at the guy who made the original statement.
     
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    You know 93 you are dumber than a box of rocks, I know what your waiting for ....but it ain't going to happen
    You ain't that bad and you sell yourself short for doing work for so cheap. It's Stupid and you are making excuses, "I won't make any money if I don't get any deer, I'll loose customers,whine whine whine...."
    A few days tweeking with a teacher and you could be good, You just know nothing about business and you are screwing this industry
    Yep I ripped you hard enough to post some pics, you did it, you got b*lls, not get a spine and charge for your work.
    I've seen far worse on this site by charging more and you bring everyone down by doing work cheap.
    Full time guys have to make what you make at your REAL JOB and YOU hurt everyone by doing this.
    I have clients that send me work from everywhere, and I'd bet some from your backyard.
    Your not a bad taxidermists, Just a real stupid dumb businessman and that goes for part time business also.
    I guess all us full timers need to get e real job so we can do deer for what you charge cause that pays the bills not taxidermy.

    I pressed you for the pics and you should not be doing deer for 300 Forest......
    Please think more of yourself and this industry.

    I've dealt with you guys for over 39 years and it will never end...
    Anyone get the horse picture ready
    PLEASE...!!
     
  15. TRAPPERGIRL

    TRAPPERGIRL Proud Member-Taxidermy M.A.F.I.A. & Taxinet Clique




    Chad N Heather Kellett well honestly its not always about the money taxidermy is a hobby job i have a 40 hr a week job my friend i do free mountd for kids who kill their first deer and i only charge 200 for a shoulder mount how bout u seeing the happiness in my customers eyes is more important to me there is more than just money in the work for me
    October 4 at 7:43pm · Like · 2 people
     
  16. 93ford

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    Thanks Bill. I appreciate your opinion and the respect with which you stated it. The bottom line is that I have to find that fine line where I get the number of heads I can handle and the highest price I can charge thereby making the most for my efforts. That does not make me a scam artist. At the same time, I don't have access to a "teacher" to show me how to be better. There is no doubt in my mind that I could be better, and honestly, I would like to be but I don't have the resources and/or access right now. I would love to do half the deer for the same money, but this area will not support it. I am confident of that though I have read it on here many times where others say differently. Thanks to all for their input. Even *. You just shouldn't be such a hateful person. What a miserable way to live. I trully hope you find a happier way to live someday.
     
  17. bowerbird

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    At the same time, I don't have access to a "teacher" to show me how to be better. There is no doubt in my mind that I could be better, and honestly, I would like to be but I don't have the resources

    Thats why you have to charge more than it costs YOU, so you DO build resources funds to engage professional training and then to afford travelling to shows and seminars.
    Whatching a UK show " The Next Best Thing " all the retailers marketing the products of the up and coming manufactureres immediately retailed the shelf price as three times the cost of the manufatureres selling price , so even when they want to dump the stock, "half price sales" is still getting there outlay back.
    Many years ago the rule of thumb was, what ever the costs are , multiply it by three, so that one third is cost, one third is for the tax man, and one third is yours. When you get a tax rebate offset by the material and operating expenses , bonus ,,,
    200 dollars cost in a deer head, means its a 600 dollar customer job, then you can afford even to go overseas on training exercises, visiting other taxidermist, museums and eating restaurant meals and drinking fine wine...............
     
  18. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    93ford, when youre confident enough and ready to take that next step, you call me and Ill give you some ideas and some opinion as to how you might make that next move, if you wish. I wont be trying to talk you into one of my classes, just a friendly pep talk with some facts. All I ask in return is that you respect our industry as much as we all do and try to get more for your work. Call me when youre ready to hear my thoughts, if you find it helpful to.
     
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    LOL , not hateful just frustration trying for 42 years in this business trying to cure stupid, Haven't found out yet there is no cure.
    The only reason you can't get more for your deer is because you DON"T ask more.
     
  20. 93ford

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    Ok *. I posted the pics for you like you asked. Now explain something to me. If you get all you want at $650 or any given price for that matter, how does a $200 or $300 guy hurt you. If what you say is true, then after 2 or 3 years of "losing" money, we will be gone anyway and others have said before that they welcome the lowballers because that just means more remounts for them which they make more money on. I know there are some scammers out there taking money for shoddy work but at least in my area, there are several $300-$360 guys doing good work and some of them are full-time. The only reason I can see is that the cheaper prices take work away from you. Is that the only reason for your disdain toward people like me? I am asking because I want to understand your thinking beyond your hatred. Others please chime in on this if you would like. Everything thing in this world revolves around competition and part of that is pricing. I just don't understand the reasoning that we should all be charging the same price.