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Pickling with Formic

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by Don, Oct 23, 2011.

  1. Don

    Don New Member

    Just wondering if it is OK to plunk a raw deer cape or what-ever straight into a formic pickle without pre-salting and draining the cape for a while?

    Thanks,

    Don
     
  2. WBB793

    WBB793 New Member

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    Yes
     

  3. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    I suppose it is okay, but I would recommend salting the skin first. The salt has a purpose, and to properly tan a skin it is a step that can't be skipped.
     
  4. dozier

    dozier New Member

    It will still get pickled but salting pull's out all those oils and grease's , then you get a better pickle , and a better tan . If your worried about time just salt one day will be better than none .
     
  5. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    Just like anything else in life, you can take shortcuts or you can do it the proper way.

    Salting doesn't pull out any oil or grease.
     
  6. muscle20

    muscle20 New Member

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    Yes just flesh, remove any fat turn and split and you can add your cape to the pickle agitate freq. at a pH of 2.0 or lower, I have done this hundreds of times, the pickle is what removes albumens, globulins: soluble non-fibrous proteins of blood, mucous material that is associated with the collagen fibres. On greasy fatty skins not including deer family degreasing is a must, use a degreasing fluid as the pickle has no effect on removing grease or fat, as grease and fat is insoluable and does not mix with water. Salting is a way of removing moisture to prevent bacteria growth and does not contribute to removal of any grease or oil and is not necessary unless you plan on storing the skins for a prolonged time period, the acid pickle is what does the job of cleaning out the collagen fibers along with the proper degreasing method.
     
  7. dozier

    dozier New Member

    So every one agree's that salt only pull's out water . That's it .
     
  8. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    No
     
  9. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    Geez, I don't remember stating that..

    Salting and rehydration is an important step in the tanning process. It removes a lot of the glycosaminoglycans present within the collagen structure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycosaminoglycan
     
  10. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,227777.0.html
     
  11. Rhino

    Rhino Too many irons in the fire will put the fire out!

     
  12. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    [quote author=What oldshaver Said:]


    Not salting FIRST, then waiting 3 days, is a mistake.

    Salting is the first step to a GOOD TANNING FOUNDATION, and always will be.

    It is IMPORTANT to good stretch, and good tan and oil fixation!
    ;)

    [/quote]
     
  13. Rhino

    Rhino Too many irons in the fire will put the fire out!

    What happened? ??? LMAO
     
  14. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    You obviously have a loose nut behind your keyboard! ;D
     
  15. dozier

    dozier New Member

    Glycosaminoglycans . hexuronic acid and carbon sugar . I'm glad i double salt my capes because i dont want that crap goin into my pickle .
     
  16. Yes, the cape once fleshed and turned can go straight into a formic acid pickle. Its fine for shoulder mounts and small lifesize. You will find that if you put the cape into the pickle flesh side out and work it a few minutes, then allow it to soak a few hours, turn inside out. that the cape will pickle just fine.

    You can neutralize and liqa tan or any other brush one tan. Or add Lutan_f and raise the pH to 5.and tan the hide.

    Over the years I have used a lot of different methods and the raw cape right into the pickle has saved many capes that would have slipped had they been salted and dried.

    If you think it has to be salted you can salt and hang the cape so fluids drain from the hide over night. Then into the pickle.