I agee Dennis to a point. I strive to shoot the biggest buck that I can, but at the end of the year I have to put meat in the freezer to feed my kids. Up in Northeran Wi. Iron county you can't shoot a doe for the meat because the herd is so low because of the huge and I mean huge wolf population! So its hard to get that big old buck up here now. There are some nice deer out there still. A 140 class deer up here is like a 180 class deer down in IL They are there but far and few.