I'm sorry George, I to keep most of my experiences to myself. I will pm people sometimes but never tell them "pm sent". I feel that I have many many years of trial and error and I damn sure am not going to tell everyone and their brother what I know! I know that you and others claim there are no secrets, but I still have some up my sleve. Just joking with ya man, what I don't understand though, is why can't people just look at something and then just figure out on their own how to do it? That part of the art of taxidermy is what comes easy for me, maybe not so for others though. HRStuffinducks, just look at what SS does with his duck mounts and it is very easy to duplicate. Clear silicone, plexiglass and some envirotex and a little time is all it takes.