Thank you Joe, for taking us in the right direction those many years ago. My first meeting with Joe was in 1983 or 84, when he was a judge for our Minnesota competition in Duluth. Joe will probably remember that competition! It was held in conjunction with the big mid-winter Duluth Sport show. The show provided the MTG with one wall of the arena and the pegboard was all hung "vertically" above the tables in front. That meant that the top of the display was close to 10-12 feet above the floor. Joe spent most of his time on a ladder, "UP THERE" judging mounts! Joe also took the time to provide us with a seminar that I would call "Reference and how to make, gather and USE it!". He produced books, photos, charts with measurements, casts and death masks of all sorts. Joe can correct me on this, if I am in error, but I have to believe that he probably brought only one change of clothes with him.......his luggage for that show HAD to have been mostly his reference material to aid his judging! Keep in mind, those were the days where a show had only one or two judges, they were asked to judge "everything", not a specific category like today. That show was huge for it's day, probably well over 300 mounts. As part of that seminar, Joe produced a cast of a "plucked" duck and asked us to identify it. NOT so easy without any feathers......but it was eventually identified as a wigeon. He was illustrating "see the unseen" or the duck UNDER the feathers. This was in the days of the EXPENSIVE video camera and no one had one to tape that seminar. I've been to a lot of seminars since then and I can't say I remember ANY of them the way I remember that one. Later that year or the next I attended the NTA in Minneapolis and I went to a seminar by Frank Newmeyer. Keep in mind that this was still in the wrapped body era, before the foam bird bodies. Frank's seminar was a lecture on learning bird anatomy and the names of feather tracts, so that you could understand the function and purpose of all of them. He also mounted a bird during the seminar! When Frank threw the seminar open to questions....what do you think was asked? Questions about anatomy? NOPE! They all wanted to know what wood wool he used and where he got it! What string he used to wrap the bodies! What wire he used! What kind of needle and thread he used! I guess they thought that using that stuff would make them into the next Frank Newmeyer. Joe, this is my way of trying to say THANK YOU for being there in the beginning to show the way. I still hear some of the questions that were asked of Frank, but not nearly as many as there used to be asked.YOU got us started at asking the right questons. I still have my copies of Taxidermy Review, at least most of them. Some were loaned and never returned, but that was my fault.....I tried to share the information, too. You don't get nearly enough credit for doing what you did for taxidermy, as you should. Probably because you haven't been as visible in the industry as you could have been, but there are still some of us out here who remember. Please make yourself available here, more often.