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Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by shawn9106, Mar 27, 2014.
LOL my thoughts exactly !
No matter if you like Archie's blanks or not ,I would be willing to bet archie phillips has forgotten more about fish taxidermy and making a profit than all these guys combined that are bad mouthing his blanks
Well all I can say is I love my small mouth. To me it almost looks exactly like the picture I gave him. I also like the fins on it how they come rugged and just the form looks better to me then the Arp. Granted I havent seen a largemouth Archie I can't say anything about them. I'm 19 years old and it's kind of hard for me paying more then 300 for a mount also. I'll be getting my large mouth repainted soon hopefully. And I'm all for a taxidermist making money. That's what he does for a living. If he only has 60-70 bucks in it I'm glad the other 190 gives him some money in his pocket.
You know what Shawn, I've read through all of this and I feel really bad for you. I'm glad you like your smallmouth son but I do feel bad for you when it comes to your Largemouth. I respect that you're young and you sound like a nice respectable young man. I will repaint your largemouth for no charge. If you can get the money to ship it to me, I'll put a paint job on that fish that you can be proud of. If you re interested, email me and I can send some pics of my fish to see if you like my work. You've spent a lot of money, money that probably took you a long time to get and you did not get what you paid for. I would love to help you, if you're interested you can email me at [email protected]
That largemouth isn't an Arp blank. No way no how.
Must have forgotten that fish taxidermy bit before he had those Signiture Series blanks manufactured....
Whether Archie blanks are cash cows or not, and whether Archie was a pioneer and rich and famous doesn't change the problems in the blanks. Can they satisfy a clientele and even be lucrative, sure, as noted. I take no issue with that, but this is a taxidermy forum with alot of discussions on improving knowledge and standards of work, so pointing out that there are some pretty big flaws in many of Archie's blanks is informative and very pertinent as a product review. It's to everyone's benefit to hear the pros AND the cons, possibly even to Archie's company. If they were putting out an improved product at that cost, that'd be good business right? But whether they are so rich they don't care or not, you aren't selling me that the blanks just need a little love to "look like they can swim." And I've posted cons on a couple of my experienes with LCR and ARP blanks too, so it ain't picking on Archie when I say his Signature Series blanks make me wonder if they were cast from fish.
So is the paint job then good enough that these specialists wouldnt have to repaint these blanks to "make them look alive?" What would these specialists be doing other than painting if "the REPRODUCTIONS" aren't the problem with these two fish and that "looking at the FORMS of those fish, it's not the forms?"
What looks alive to one person may be quite different to another, but objectively compare an Archie Signature's scale patterns, fin rays, fin pockets (or lack thereof), head shape and pose, & the body pose to a swimming fish. There is some significance that cannot be overcome without extreme corrective measures.
So are you saying that some of you specialists are nothing more that "snap together" taxidermists? For some reason I thought you guys took the same repro's I use and did magic with them. I guess I stand corrected.
fishnart24, that is a really kind gesture. Your offer makes me proud to be part of a group known as "Taxi-netters". I hope Shawn can and will accept your offer.
Agreed Joey, and fishnart will do a great job improving the LMB mount.
Also, Shawn, those are some nice fish you are into. Bragging rights for sure!
No, I am not saying that.
There are significant problems with that Archie blank and if you can't see that, you need to compare one to a real fish.
This isn't even talking OTS vs Red Rosin paper. The scales aren't even right on the Archie Signatures I've seen. Your version of 'looks like it can swim' is just significantly different than mine. I'd just assume start with a blank slate like a block of wood or foam form than redo an Archie to my idea of what that is.
And for the record, I have taken an Archie LMB, swapped out the head/fins/eyes/gills and to me it isn't worth the effort/time/or money. Even with all those components altered, there are still problems in the body and anything saved in $$ is lost in labor.
The blanks have their market, and the folks who work their magic on any reproductions deserve their due.
You have yet to name a reproduction that I use. The only magic with myself compared to you is the paint that I apply. I posted a smallie one time during a discussion with you(George) and you ran like a dog with it's tail between his legs. I just don't understand why you chime in on a fish discussion.
Earlier you stated that what he was charged was not cheap. You must be so out of touch with pricing. I am cheap but $100.00 more would have got him a nice looking smallie on an exceptional blank.
Here's the list that I use to find a blank. There are probably a couple more that I missed. All the blanks listed below take minimal work to get the desired look. Once in a while you may receive some thing not up to par but it is still 10x better than Archie's blanks
Ard 3D, not the originals
Lake Country - premier and signature
Scott, you fishheads really amaze me. Now I find that you don't even know how to take compliments. Archie's repros are OLD and, as said, they haven't been modernized, but with good conscience, I can't tell you of ANY REPRODUCTION OUT THERE that doesn't look like a dead fish. Some may be better than others, but they ALL look dead compared to a live fish. Now I've seen the magic you fishheads do with your blushes and your glimmers and your poly coats that would sure deceive the eyes of us onlookers, but we both know it won't fool a cat or a bear. I hated (and still hate) the fiberglass fish, though they're still being made as we speak. No one has yet to come even close to making a production fin that looks realistic. No one has yet to produce a commercial production gill that doesn't look fake. By the very nature of reproduction, most of them have cast marks and flashing of some sort
I'm still unconvinced that the paint job on those two fish are the issue and not the forms. True, those forms may have imperfections that you fishheads pick up on, but the rest of the world isn't looking at that. If he gets that largemouth repainted CORRECTLY, the fact that it's Archie's form will be only something a fishhead would discuss.
And finally, you young guys REALLY need to wise up and then you need to STEP UP. Archie and Bubba amassed a faithful following and a sizeable nest egg on those fish reproductions. Us senile old dumb guys are dying off. Sam Touchstone and Al Holmes are gone. Bubba Phillips is gone and Archie is in failing health and in his 80's. So is work is dated and out of date. So? What are YOU doing about it to improve it for those teenagers who'll be your again far to soon and who'll be asking YOU the pointed questions and giving the brutal critiques. I'd suggest that instead of badmouthing what's come long before you, you start creating things that will be here long after you leave. I haven't seen that much promise thus far in that area.
If you can paint a fish good. Archie's blanks work just fine. I've ordered from lots of them. If you notice that lots of the fiberglass repos catalogs have the same size blanks. They copy each others. I've ordered a blank from one supplier and it would have AP in the mouth plus the supplier I ordered froms item number next to it.
What supplier might this be??
I would guarantee the list of suppliers I mentioned don't sell Archie's blanks.
No need to mention names. I've seen them . I'm talking about the large saltwater repos
I'm not even in the same league as most of the fish heads on here, but that's what I thought too. Both look like they have issues and if I can see them, then they must be pretty obvious.
The Bass is an Arp blank, maybe an older model. But I will take the funky looking Archie fish models and paint them up. If someone buys them its all good here.