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Problem with spread on whitetail

Discussion in 'Deer and Gameheads' started by BUCKHUNTER15, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. X2 what bucknut stated the patch of fur between the horns is only so wide and opening butts up 2" nothing.g will line up correctly
  2. Mr.T

    Mr.T Active Member

    Would hanging a raw rack upside down on a pole or 2x4, cause the beams to hang enough to droop or shrink?

  3. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Ive been complaining to form companies for years that leave us such a shallow skull shelf, as that requires a very thin skull cut, surely some of you have heard my ranting in the past. In MY opinion a lot of shrinkage in antlers occurs in the skull plate. Whenever we had a rack that was really close to book, while waiting for the 60 day measurement I always suggested they leave it on the full skull WITHOUT BOILING...yeah, another one of my favorite rants. Thin skull plates, boiling and using clay or nothing under the skull when mounting can all help create this problem.

    My thoughts on fixing are very similar to everyone here...If the guy agrees to your adjusting the skull plate, then split it, and simply TIP it out SLIGHTLY and youll get the spread back without making the bases spread out from each other. Dont move the whole skull, just angle it, otherwise it wont fit, like Bruce said. Bed it in bondo (like I would anyway) and cover with reinforced bondo and then screw it in snug, I use 3 screws normally, but for this, 4 screws for sure. The scalp will stretch that small amount for the difference in angle when its soaked.
  4. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Ron, I've scored a couple deer in my life and I've NEVER had anything close to 3 or 4 inches, much less 6 or 8. I don't recall having one shrink over 2 inches with the max being about 1.25. It's sort of strange a client would take an INSIDE measurement anyway.

    You go Bill. I hope you're successful. We can only hope it's in OUR lifetimes, however. LOL
  5. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    A 2" loss is really common on deer that have a lot of bow in there main beams. I block them after cutting off the skull to prevent shrinkage on deer with really curved beams
  6. ElkinsTaxidermy

    ElkinsTaxidermy www.ronelkinstaxidermy.com

    George, I'm not talking about inside spread only. I've seen SEVERAL deer (200-250" plus NT) lose 6" or more, from green to dry. I've scored at least 200 deer per year, for the last several years. I've seen it, will see it again, and don't have a thing to prove to you.
  7. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Well-Known Member

    This is why I measure the inside spread on every rack that comes in and record the measurement in the work order, which the customer signs. Just before I take down the actual measurements, just for kicks, I usually ask the customer what the inside spread is. Guess what? About every time the customer comes up with a spread that is wider than the actual measurement.

    I did have one come in this year though that was mounted by another taxidermist about 10 years ago. The spread had "shrunk" and the customer wanted that and a bunch of other flaws fixed. I opened it up and the skull cap was cracked and the other taxidermist knew it too, because I could tell by the extra screws he drilled into it. It was an easy fix resorting it to the customers desired spread which was several inches wider than when I got it. I have seen several of those over the years and have had no problems fixing them.
  8. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Ron, I wasn't asking for "proof", but your explanation of total score on huge racks would certainly plausible. I thought the context was about "inside spread".

    Joey, I read SOMEPLACE that "blocking" invalidated the score for records book. Someone correct me if I'm wrong there.
  9. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Well-Known Member

    I am not aware that blocking is against B&C rules. A rack can even be repaired and still entered, however repairs are supposed to be disclosed. If a specimen is frozen, then the freeze time does not count towards the 60 day drying period.
  10. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

    Pope and Young has a rule against using a block, not sure about B&C
  11. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

    I guess the lesson is that, this whole deal is the flaw in measuring air. Never understood it. Measure what the animal grew, if you must, but leave the air out of it.
  12. Randy Miller

    Randy Miller Active Member

    Finally,a common sense approach and vision to the OP's Q.
    The OP never said anything agout B&C, P&Y, or Laurel and Hardy, BTW. It's about customer satisfaction, and I see this as being within reason.
  13. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    3bears, that was the argument that Buckmasters used and it was always funny. Someone would say they had a XXX score in Buckmasters, but every time someone would ask, "What does it score in B&C?" You should never find a Buckmaster hunter bragging about a "30 inch spread" but they're quick to change their tune if they get one.

    Trophy Specialist, that's not true. Though the antlers MAY be repaired in SOME cases, the rule isn't hard and fast. Here's exactly what the rule says:

    Repaired trophies are eligible for entry in the records books on a case by case basis. Trophies that have been repaired can be accepted by the Records Committee if the owner or the Measurer identifies the repair, and if the repair is made with original horn or antler material. The Records Committee reserves the right to reject any repaired trophy. When scoring any trophies that have been repaired, no portion of the repaired material can be included in any measurement nor can any allowance be made for lost material. For example, measurements of repaired points or main beams can only be taken to the point of the break.
  14. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    The racks I block are far from making any type of record.