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Modified Half Cast Method for Panfish.

Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by Cecil, May 9, 2014.

  1. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    I'd like to make my own filler to save on shipping but as of yet haven't done it yet.

    It can't be that difficult and some experimenting would allow you to change setting times.

    To do the three fish at once you can't dilly dally around though. I would recommend one fish to start out.
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    If I go to half cast an egg filled fish out of the freezer and its shrunk down or is distorted I shove a challking gun tip into the anal opening and pump the fish back up. I then plug it up with paper towel and then do my half cast.

  3. B Jones

    B Jones Memeber of - NTA,UTA,AIT.Proud Member of NZTA.

    I really like this method for smaller crappie and all gills and other sunfish. If I remember right Cecil taught me how to do it a long time ago.
  4. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    That must have been at the Indiana show eons ago!
  5. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Just happened to be in my photobucket account and came across a picture of the 21 inch crappie after it was finished using the modified half cast method.

    It's actually a natural white/black hybrid. Not that uncommon in bodies of water where they both exist. Fish only weighed 3.25 pounds.


    This stringer mount was done using the half cast method:

  6. FishArt

    FishArt Well-Known Member

    Cecil, With Crappie I just know B or W. What designates this 21"er a hybrid? Do you have a gene-pool path or something? Just curious how you're certain?

    When you mention "hybrid" it makes me laugh a little. I oftentimes utilize the term hybrid" to help me out when a customer is clearly wrong about what species they're calling their fish! We've all had a few customers that bring in a SM and call it a LM! Or call a White Crappie a Black just b/c it's DARK in color - lol! You HAVE to correct them. But, it's touchy/feely. You don't want to make them sound stupid. So, I may start out with "it may be a hybrid, but I think it's probable it's a Black or a White or whatever. BTW, on the flip-side, if a customer calls something I'm not 100% certain about (Saugeye sometimes are tough to tell for instance), I don't care what he calls it IF his/her check clears - lol!
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member


    You got that right about customers and not knowing what their fish are. I have another issue. I have a certified scale and I've had it more than once a customer comes in and says he has a seven or eight pound bass. The fish is not frozen yet and it's obviously no where near 7 or 8 pounds. When they want me to weight it on the scale I caution them that it typically deflated egos. LOL I had one guy bring me in a so called 8 pound bass that was under 5 pounds! How in the world can they be that off!

    As far as the crappies the hybrids will have the spine count of one species but the appearance of the other. I.e., a fish that has 7 or more dorsal and anal spines but have a spot pattern that is more like a white crappie, or a crappie with has only 6 dorsal and anal spines but have a more blotchy spot pattern of a black crappie. My theory is these fish are so large due to "hybrid vigor." A local biologist tells me he sees them from time to time.
  8. FishArt

    FishArt Well-Known Member

    Interesting, Thanks for the hybrid info Cecil!
  9. That one also appears to have the spotting of a black and the body shape of a white.
  10. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Very true!
  11. boarhunter67

    boarhunter67 Well-Known Member

    I saw this long ago, but looked it up after reading about it on another post. I did a search in the tutorials, but came up blank. This should definitely be moved to the tutorials. Marking.
  12. Very nice~ i will give this a try
  13. txoutdoors

    txoutdoors Active Member

  14. jigginjim

    jigginjim Active Member

    How long does it take for the fill to firm up and how do you keep the fins from drying out?
  15. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member


    I've never timed it but my guess is about 20 to 25 minutes, but I could be wrong. That said it may vary a little from batch to batch, and twice over the years I've either had it fail to set up or set up very slowly. And know I'm not the only one. Some temp guy with two ear rings and a nose ring hiding behind the mixer smoking a joint, probably couldn't remember how much catalyst he added. LOL

    The first time WASCO cheerfully sent me another bag, but the latest was with McKenzie and whoever I was directed to acted like I was trying to pull a fast one and promised to get back with me. Of course he never did. The guy acted like I knew nothing and he was God's gift to taxidermy, but I pretty much know everybody in the fish taxidermy world and had never heard of him. I got it to set up faster by adding a little plaster but it wasn't optimum. If this happens again I'm getting his name and going up the food chain.

    As far as the fins you can just spray them with a spray bottle. I use an emptied Windex bottle filled with plain water.
  16. KEVIN T.

    KEVIN T. patience...........

    Cecil: I'm a newby so I think this is a really great way to start! Thank you.............
  17. Randy Miller

    Randy Miller Active Member

    • According to the latest McK catalog, they are only carrying one type of fish fill. Thinking it would be the Tom Sexton's bastardized product they have been selling, I bought it. Used it today. [list type=decimal]

    The stuff is garbage!! It must be air dry, not setting up. Gritty, grainy grey crap. I wish the person who likies to shine me on when I call about infewrior products and their penchant for lowering quality for profit had this bag up his ....

    Anyone know if the TS filler is available anywherer?
  18. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member


    Sounds like they sent you Van Dykes filler if it was grainy.

    As far as not setting up been there twice. The last time, as I mentioned it here, the guy didn't believe me and acted like he was God's gift to taxidermy. Never heard of the guy. And he promised to call me back and never did. My last order was O.K. though although I think the set times vary a little.
  19. I believe Tom sexton fish filler is only available through WASCO. if it's somewhere else I haven't found it.
  20. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Which is owned by Mckenzie. .