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Discussion in 'The Taxidermy Industry' started by antlerman, May 12, 2014.

  1. Some crimes have a time line as to how long you can press charges, , Just a thought as most are a year and under. Something to look into in the state the money came up missing last July.

  2. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    Statute of limitations per Louisiana Law.

    Art. 572. Limitation of prosecution of noncapital offenses

    A. Except as provided in Articles 571 and 571.1, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for an offense not punishable by death or life imprisonment, unless the prosecution is instituted within the following periods of time after the offense has been committed:

    (1) Six years, for a felony necessarily punishable by imprisonment at hard labor.

    (2) Four years, for a felony not necessarily punishable by imprisonment at hard labor.

    (3) Two years, for a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, or imprisonment, or both.

    (4) Six months, for a misdemeanor punishable only by a fine or forfeiture.

    B.(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of Article 571.1 and Paragraph A of this Article, prosecutions for any sex offense may be commenced beyond the time limitations set forth in this Title if the identity of the offender is established after the expiration of such time limitation through the use of a DNA profile.

    (2) A prosecution under the exception provided by this Paragraph shall be commenced within three years from the date on which the identity of the suspect is established by DNA testing.

    (3) For purposes of this Article, "DNA" means deoxyribonucleic acid, which is located in cells and provides an individual's personal genetic blue print and which encodes genetic information that is the basis of human heredity and forensic identification.

    (4) This Paragraph shall have retroactive application to crimes committed prior to June 20, 2003.

    C. Upon expiration of the time period in which a prosecution may be instituted, any bail bond applicable to that prosecution which bond has not been forfeited shall also expire, and all obligations of that bail undertaking shall be extinguished as a matter of law.

    Amended by Acts 1984, No. 926, §1; Acts 2001, No. 207, §1; Acts 2003, No. 487, §2, eff. June 20, 2003; Acts 2003, No. 809, §1, eff. July 1, 2003; Acts 2006, No. 123, §1, eff. June 2, 2006.

    NOTE: See Acts 2003, No. 487, §5, relative to application.

    The "possible" CRIME per Louisiana Law.


    §67. Theft

    A. Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, either without the consent of the other to the misappropriation or taking, or by means of fraudulent conduct, practices, or representations. An intent to deprive the other permanently of whatever may be the subject of the misappropriation or taking is essential.

    B.(1) Whoever commits the crime of theft when the misappropriation or taking amounts to a value of one thousand five hundred dollars or more shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than ten years, or may be fined not more than three thousand dollars, or both.

    (2) When the misappropriation or taking amounts to a value of five hundred dollars or more, but less than a value of one thousand five hundred dollars, the offender shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than five years, or may be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or both.

    (3) When the misappropriation or taking amounts to less than a value of five hundred dollars, the offender shall be imprisoned for not more than six months, or may be fined not more than one thousand dollars, or both. If the offender in such cases has been convicted of theft two or more times previously, upon any subsequent conviction he shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than two years, or may be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or both.

    C. When there has been a misappropriation or taking by a number of distinct acts of the offender, the aggregate of the amount of the misappropriations or taking shall determine the grade of the offense.

    D. Repealed by Acts 2001, No. 944, §4.

    Acts 1990, No. 118, §1; Acts 1999, No. 338, §1; Acts 1999, No. 1251, §1; Acts 2001, No. 944, §4; Acts 2006, No. 82, §1; Acts 2010, No. 585, §1.

  3. Crittercoroner

    Crittercoroner DUDE, your uselessness is epic!

    Where was the convention last year? Wouldn't that dictate where it would be prosecuted since that's where the offence supposedly took place?
  4. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    Baton Rouge, Louisiana

    That's why I posted Louisiana Law. ;)

    By the way, I got that info with a little help from my friends. ;D Some of you may remember my friends........Elmer and Fudd. LOL The PUCKER Brothers.

    But this may not be limited to Louisiana Law. It has the possibilities of becoming Federal.
  5. Brian Reinertson

    Brian Reinertson Well-Known Member

    I'll bail you out Timmy ;)
  6. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    Awe,,,,,,,,Thank You Brother!
  7. Harry Whitehead

    Harry Whitehead I love to hunt Buffalos!!!!!

    Just for conversation sake, I can print off every invoice and everyone at the show that paid any money can be contacted to verify that each and every entry into the program can be reconciled with the deposits and the bank statement..... This program is truly amazing once you understand it!!!! Just sayin!!!

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  8. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    Kind of like having a security camera in the store? You can go back and view it. :eek:
  9. Maya

    Maya New Member

    "RECONCILED", now there's a novel word that's not been seen, heard or practiced much anymore. Just saying.
  10. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    Devils advocate.....(just sayin)..... same group that fired the Crains, grew a big ol' vagina & caved in & paid them so they wouldn't have to fight...... good luck Harry & Tim, I still predict splinters & disappointment,

    Jim Ellis & Mitch Webb are very good people...... they have fighting hearts...... unless it comes time for public criticism. Let this case have one crack in the dam of public perception & you 2 are gonna to be left all alone holding a heavy load....... don't say I didn't warn you.
  11. Harry Whitehead

    Harry Whitehead I love to hunt Buffalos!!!!!

    Come on Mike!!! Ease up a bit!! At this point, Mitch and company have acknowledged the fact that there is a discrepancy in the funds deposited. I can prove that we took the money in and it never made it to the bank. OK, at this point the Board CANNOT just sweep it under the rug and make it go away. That would be illegal. Something has to be done and something will get done. Mitch has vowed to get to the bottom of this just as he should and I am taking him at his word..... This will be addressed in an open meeting at the convention. That's ALL that we as members can ask. We may find where the money is or there is a possibility that we won't. That is what the investigation will tell us......
  12. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Harry, where did you hear that? When was it said BY THEM PUBLICLY or even to the paid membership? And what Michael is talking about is totally unrelated to this "$10,000" anyway.
  13. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    Let me tell you what I REALLY hope. I hope Harry [expletive deleted] up with his data entry. That's what I REALLY hope for. And if he did, I will be the first in line to blast Harry's ass and YOU know that, and so does Harry. I think everyone knows by now that I have a great love, respect and admiration for John Janelli. I also find it hard to believe that Joe Kulis would do this. I want the TRUTH. I am so sick and tired of the back stabbing, the innuendo's, the suspicions, the lack of trust, the sarcasm, the hateful e-mails and pm's that go flying around the net. Do YOU think I want to do this? HELL NO! Believe it or not, I do have better things to do. But I feel like the pivot man in the middle of a circle jerk, and I DON"T like it. I'm man enough to stand before whatever public perception comes my way, but I'm also man enough to admit when I'm wrong. How can I be wrong for wanting the TRUTH? Don't YOU want the truth? The ONLY thing that is ever going to make all this chit stop is the truth. Anything short of that is going to keep the NTA in the muck. A place where some I think prefer it to stay. I'm not one of those people. Now let's clear it out of the muck once and for all and let's get on with our lives. But until that is done, I won't stop. I can't. If I did, I would be no better than those who allowed the Crain's to do what they did to the NTA. Everyone has said, bring on your polygraph, bring on your investigation. I have NOTHING to hide. Then so be it. Let's get it out there and let's deal with it. I pray to God none of my friends are dirty in this. But until this is put to rest, the public opinion of the NTA and it's leaders will NEVER be what it should. Yes, I'm pissed about how the settlement with the Crain's went simply because it could have been avoided. But that it water under the bridge now. The Crain's are gone. This black eye currently being talked about needs resolved. You yourself said; this will get swept under the rug like things in the past. NOT if I can help it. I will not stand for this to get swept under the rug. Now I don't know what more you want, but the OFFICIAL NTA statement that John Creager posted should be enough to tell you that they recognize that 9575.00 is missing as per the financial statements. So where did it go? Clerical error? Theft? Who knows at this time? Surely I don't, and neither does anyone else. But to not dig into it would be ludicrous, and the last straw for the NTA. If everyone is innocent, then let's clear their names, once and for all because I'm sick of it. If you, the public, or the officers of the board feel that getting the air cleared is wrong, then I'm not the one who is wrong. You, they are. I'm not looking for a fight. Only the truth and let's get this organization either up and running like it was meant to be, or let's put a dagger in it and be done with it, once and for all. Remember, it was you who gave up on trying to salvage what's left of the NTA. Not me. But if you want me to go away, just say so. I'll be gone in a flash because I don't care either way personally. I only do what I do for those who dreamed it could all be fixed and righted. If you don't want me trying, then just say so, and I'll lighten my load as you described it.
  14. dplais7124

    dplais7124 Active Member

    Exactly George. Nothing gets addressed to the members. It's like we're entitled to anym information as long as we ask specific questions.
  15. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    THIS IS THEIR OFFICIAL STATEMENT. Posted by John C per Mitch's instructions. I swear to God some of you can't see the forest for the trees.
  16. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

    You have more faith than I Harry...... but I go love bring proved wrong :)
  17. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    It is? And just where did you see all that Tim. Does John C. now stand for Jay Carney? Tell me when, as both YOU AND I were promised faithfully, is Mitch Webb EVER going to address this publicly? And again, this is apples and oranges. The settlement and the missing funds are separate issues. I guess we'll hear about that just as soon as we hear why the board failed to remove Archie Phillips as they'd promised the Pennsylvania Taxidermy Association. This gets more and more like the novel "Wag the Dog".
  18. Harry Whitehead

    Harry Whitehead I love to hunt Buffalos!!!!!

    You people are pathetic. The statement by John C is just as Tim said it was!! A statement from the NTA President delivered by John Creager. Damn, what more do you want??

    And yes George, that IS what Mike was talking about!!

    Tim, if I'm wrong everyone of you can take lashes out of my backside!! BUT, I'm not wrong. I simply couldn't have entered data 40 or 50 times incorrectly!! Those invoices were made with people's names on them as they were registering!! Don't you get it?? People registered, I invoiced them, the NTA received money in one form or another, we made deposits! 9575.00 didn't make it!! What don't you understand???

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  19. antlerman

    antlerman NTA Life Member #0118

    I understand perfectly Harry, and I know you are not wrong. But knowing that, and proving that is two different things. It is not my job to prove it. It is yours. Just the same as it will be on those who handled the money. So have a good weekend...everyone, and let's just let the process take place. There is nothing more for any of us to do at this point until we get to that damn convention.

    George, it is my understanding that there were those who pressed for Archie's removal, but not one of his accusers would testify to the fact. So what are you to do? Have another suit to deal with?
  20. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Harry, now hold the friggin phone. Is Mitch Webb on life support? Oxygen? Suddenly become paralyzed? Gone mute? Mitch Webb PROMISED ME AND TIM THACKER THAT HE WOULD SPEAK TO THE MEMBERSHIP PUBLICLY. Now here you go saying that John C. is the official mouthpiece of the NTA????? REALLY? Where is that in the bylaws that the president no longer addresses the people he's claiming to represent?