Isn't that what the forum is all about ??? HELPING others? It's not only to promote your business. Keeping trade secrets is OLD SCHOOL...I will help anyone that asks me for advice. I'm not in any competition with anyone on here! All that matters to me is that my customer is satisfied. I just read this thread to my husband ,who just retired from the masonry business of 41 years ,and he said he ALWAYS would help out anyone that would ask him for free advice...if you're good enough at what you do you don't have to worry about competition!!!! By the way Happy New Year to all the GREAT FRIENDS I made on this forum and to all I may become friends with in the future!