got a frozen whitetail into the shop, hung it to thaw then did my measurements with calipers and tape measurer as usual. It's not an old deer at 3 years I guess. The face is very long for a New Jersey deer at 8-1/4" x 17" neck. Been measuring the same way for 16 years and am resonably secure in my ability at measuring. No doubt I will probably have to alter the face length as it will be the easiest way to alter. Does anyone know of a supplier that might sell a long faced form with a small neck? Also it is a December kill with medium length hair. I've done Canadian deer with 8" face but the necks are proportioned large as well. Thanks for any input.