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Anyone else has this same problem with hairslipping?

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by Ozzwald86, Mar 18, 2015.

  1. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    This is how i do my skins:
    1. Thaw the frozen furs in 15 liters of water with 4 dl salt.
    2. Take the fur out and Let it rinse for about 5 min.
    3. Scrape the skin with a spoon.
    4. Wash the fur in water and shampo
    5. Wash with clear water. (And its now i usely see that the fur has slipp
    Often on its back close to the tail big chuncks)
    6. Put skin in 10l of water and add 7,5 dl salt and 3 tablespoon of ?-acid
    7. After about 36 hour i take the skin up end let it rinse for about 10 min
    then scarpe it again (here is also when i see thats some furs has slipp
    8. Add 3 dl of alum in the bucket
    9 After 24-36 hours i take the skinn up end wash it quickly in water
    10. Greese it. And done
    I would be verry greatfull if someone has some idea what im doing worng!
     
  2. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    6. Formic acid!
     

  3. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    What kinds of hides?

    I'd suggest that they be salted after skinning and fleshing. It helps to set the hair.

    Why are you rinsing after thawing in a salt brine? Not needed..

    If steps 4 and 5 are where you first notice slip, then eliminate those steps.

    You describe making a pickle, first off, make the pickle and then add the hide as opposed to the hide then pickle mix.
    What is the pH of your pickle and how often do you check the pH of the pickle?
     
  4. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    Oh sorry i thought rinse meant like dripp.
    So i hang the fur and let the water dripp off.
    I do mostly foxes.
    I allwas mix the pickel then add the fur sorry was not clear about it.
    I do most of the furs for friends so they bring them to me frozen.
    I like to wash off the blood and fat before i put the fur in the pickel.
    Do you wash the fur?
    I follow the instruktions form a guy who as tanning for about 20 years and he allways
    wash the furs in shampoo.
    I did a huge fox this week and after it has been in the pickel for 48 hours
    i took it up let it dripp for 10 min then i scrape it then put it in the mix of formic acid and alum
    Then smal chunks of fur was in floating. A big area on its neck was free from hair!
    When its slippa its not single hair it more like chunks.
     
  5. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    The ph is around 3
     
  6. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001


    That's part of your problem....Get the pH lower, 2 to 2.5. Now you did say that the hides started slipping before the pickle and that's why I suggest you skip the washing steps..
    With fox you need to get all of the heavy fat and flesh off before drying. Get down to the skin and then salt overnight.
    shake off the excess wet salt and put on some fresh salt. Let it nearly dry. Then re-hydrate and put into the pickle. You should stir several times per day and check the pH when you do. Add more acid if needed. You might also look into safety acid to drop the pH...It will get lower than formic.
     
  7. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    The real problem seems to be the soap and water. The hide seems to be submerred for hours(days) in water. Soap on a raw hide -ESPECIALLY fox - is begging for trouble. If you freeze it before removing the chunks of red meat, you're already in trouble. SkiN the Fox, remove the red meat and salt the hide over night. Rinse the hide, freeze if you must- put into a STRONG pickle and go from there. I don't know where you found the process you're using, but it's an open invitation to disaster.
     
  8. Trash way your old instructions and listen we are saying to you!
     
  9. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    Thanks for all replys! I will stop useing shampoo!
    And i will try to get the ph lower then 3.
     
  10. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    and get all the fat and flesh off....
    and salt...
     
  11. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    I don't know the conversion of dl salt to weight but you need about 1lb per gallon or 115 gm per liter..
     
  12. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    Allright! 100 gram is 1 dl of salt. So then i have too add more salt.
    I do scrape the flesh and fat directly after thawing. I will salt the skin before pickel also.
    Thanks again!
    The big fox i did this week that slipp on his neck.
    I was thinking that i did not get down enough when i did the first scrape so when it was
    in the pickle it did not penetrate??? ( dont know really how to explain my thougts)
    Its also strange that its never slipps on 2 or more places its only one area that slipps!?
     
  13. Not enough salt, thawing in soap and water, pH of 3, not fleshing and salting...I agree throw away your instructions. Your hides were likely spoiled before your pickle. Learning curve with everything we do.
     
  14. I used to have problems with an occasional hid slipping. NOW, I always salt HEAVILY before I do anything else (right after they are thawed or skinned). I like them to dry and then rehydrate them. Haven't had any trouble since I started doing that.
     
  15. Ozzwald86

    Ozzwald86 New Member

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    Thanks for your reply! I have started to salt the skins right after thawing.
    So hopefully the problems stops!
     
  16. Ittybit

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    STOP ROT before freezing. STOP ROT when taken out of the freezer. STOP ROT while fleshing before salting. Love my Stop Rot!!
     
  17. Paul B

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    I salt fox as I flesh them, it tightens up the skin and makes getting the fat off a bit easier, less holes. Once done, a good coat of salt, dry hard, then hydrate before pickle, now you can clean off blood, use a product like Kemel 4, should be ready for pickle in 15 minutes.
     
  18. Dido what George said.
     
  19. Bruce_Rittel

    Bruce_Rittel Consultant Services

    Step #1 - Stop thawing your frozen skins in WATER and Salt! I simply let them thaw overnight on a slanted piece of Plywood or overturned plastic cases with performations in them, so the water from it drains away from the carcass. No Water involved - or Salt! The Water contained in the carcass, if the carcass is left to soak in it. after it thaws, can cause slippage. I'd eliminate that first step. Or at the very least, do it differently.

    Also eliminate "Washing" them before you flesh, salt, dry the skins and then rehydrate the skins for the pickling! If you want to wash them - wait until they pickle thoroughly (usually 3 days soaking in the pickle), then take them out, let them drain for 30 minutes, wash and rinse them for 10 minutes , and return them to your pickle for at least 24 hours. Check the pH of your pickle - make sure it doesn't rise, once you return the skins to the pickle.