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Discussion in 'The Taxidermy Industry' started by boarhunter67, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Greg you already know that's because we are all lazy and besides working on section 1 when we get home is a lot more important
    Folks you got to go to the bar to get the joke!
     
  2. livbucks

    livbucks Well-Known Member

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    That's right. I am just trolling the other threads to drag patrons back to Buck's languishing bar establishment.
     

  3. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    You have a point there but I do know one taxidermist that does work full time as a taxidermist while he is trying to build his business and works third shift at a convenience store/gas station. He is the exception.

    Being a high school teacher myself by day I don't have the time to do taxidermy at night. If I were going to I sure as heck would not be doing it for a lousy $300.00 for a deer head. Which is why I have no desire to do commercial work. It isn't worth dealing with the mentality of people who cannot recognize quality over pricing.
     
  4. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    I guess what I am trying to say is this...if you live in an area that traditionally pays low for taxidermy, charge more, or at least offer a service thats more expensive, and get the customer conditioned to see a difference, and then move forward, at the very least. If you truly are in such a depressed area that the money literally isnt there, why in hell would you do taxidermy there...for less than its worth???

    To be brutally honest, I dont live high on the hog doing taxidermy. My life took some twists and turns, and taxidermy had nothing to do with, so Im really not a good example. But I can say this, I know for certain that many guys out there are for sure leaving available money on the table...

    Boarhunter, thanks for understanding and its great to see you believe in yourself. It really will work for everyone, once theyre ready to try. Id be happy to talk to ANY of you, whether youre a past student or not, about ideas and ways you might try to promote yourself or charge more. Just call me. I like to help. BTW Kevin L, you make a good point.
     
  5. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

    Fortunes can change, Bill, that's for sure. In my market it was incredible when the oil money was flowing. Now I'm shutting down my business with 200 grand still on the books as all the oil companies are laying off thousands as we speak. A combination of low oil prices and a first in history socialist government for Alberta has literally put my whole country into a recession. Regardless of which market you practice in, if you can't profit from your work you may as well be doing something else.
     
  6. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    If the lowest taxidermist in your state was $800, and the average cost was $1000, I bet they would still be having taxidermy done in your state. As long as the low end is $300 or less, you get what you got. It's not that customers can't afford $900 for a mount, it's that they are not willing to as long as you have $300 heads heads out there. If some one can't afford taxidermy then they don't get taxidermy done. If it costs me $150 in parts and services and hourly wages, not shop rate, but hourly wages at $25 an hour for 4hrs , we are at $250 then over head and 30% or more profit and you are already way past $300. So you have to decrease your hourly wages and or your profit. If you are OK with working at $8 or so an hour and don't believe in making a profit, then you are doing great, however, if you can't get a living wage per hour and you throw away your profit, you are better off doing something else for a living and doing taxidermy for yourself, family and close friends if you need a taxidermy fix.
     
  7. davehyer

    davehyer New Member

    I got into taxidermy because I was one of those poor saps that just couldn't afford iit. At the time I was journeyman tool and die maker and made a pretty good wage. I had 4 kids, 3 of them hunted. No way in hell could I afford to things mounted, so I learned how to do taxidermy.

    The assumption that if you can afford to go hunting then you must have the money to pay $700 or more for a mount doesn't make any sense to me.

    That's one of thereabouts I struggle with raising prices, I can relate.
     
  8. Bill every word you wrote is wise words and true. But lets take a look at the above.
    For dang near all of us taxidermy just kinda happened, very very few set out right out of high school with taxidermy as occupation career .
    most of us started doing it for our self's and buddies in the kitchen and one thing leads to another. Not one thought then was one day this is what will pay the bills. Being that it was an accidental plan that just kinda progressed . I doubt most people would just up and move to another town/state to start something like taxidermy. I know its been done before with great results (Harris) for example but how many have fell on their ass we never heard of. Anyways the word is ROOTS, They have roots, families, kids . roots keeps them in place. To deep of roots to move, best to just water and nurture whats already growing. Jerking roots up after they gotten to big will kill the plant. Unless you got some deeeeeeeep pockets to nurse it through what going to be a long slow come back even then you may not make it.
     
  9. boarhunter67

    boarhunter67 Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone has said that everyone can get $650 or $1000. I think what has been said again and again is to not be afraid to charge a decent amount even if everyone around you is doing it dirt cheap. The whole everyone around here is $300 so that's what I charge doesn't make sense to me. What if they all charged $100? Figure out your costs, your hours, etc., and if you're charging $300 and happy, then fine, but if you think you are getting paid a decent wage at $300 for a deer, you're kidding yourself. Taxidermy isn't easy. Why work long hours if you're making less per hour than at Taco Bell? Here's a picture I took today with a client who not only doesn't mind paying the $650 for a deer mount or $850 for a hog mount, but invited me on a paid hog hunt with him today and paid for my hunt at $700. I love loyal customers. I also got a ram ($750) to mount out of the trip. [​IMG]
     
  10. jhunter13

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    I agree with this if your talking about the "locals" who hunt family farms and public property. However, when someone goes to Illinois or Canada and pays 5,6 or 7 thousand dollars to hunt whitetail and then shops around for a bargain $300 mount when he is done then the argument holds water.
     
  11. boarhunter67

    boarhunter67 Well-Known Member

    That's somewhat true. I have a full time job to support me. I do taxidermy on the side. I spend about 25 hours a week doing taxidermy. During the summer I also did construction and then worked 12-14 hours to catch up on taxidermy. I also do cakes (wedding, birthday, etc.) for people and that takes many hours everytime I do one. I do a lot of jobs to make money. I've never understood why someone would work a full time job and then be willing to work for peanuts doing taxidermy, which takes time away from the family, hunting, etc. I hear one argument that says people who are part timers can afford to charge a lot more because they only work part time and don't depend on it so they don't have to worry about losing customers. Then I hear others say people who work part time charge $250-$300 because they don't need the money and can afford to charge less because they are bringing in more customers to make up the difference. So part timers charge too little and too much and that's why some people can't get over $300 for a deer? Nobody is saying everyone can get $800 for a deer. All anyone is saying is that anyone that charges $300 isn't really making more than minimum wage, and that many, not all but many, don't raise their prices out of fear of losing all their customers and then get upset when time after time someone like me posts that whenever I've raised my prices the customer base hasn't dropped a bit. Obviously there's a formula that you must stay within, but many--again not all--stay far below what they could. I'm not talking about someone charging $500 when they could get $525 for a deer. I'm talking about someone charging $300-$400. I live in an area that has been greatly depressed with the drop in oil production. There is a flood of houses on the market from oil workers who have been out of work for too long. It costs about $200 for a hunter here to get a deer with the cost of tags, licenses, etc. I don't know anyone who went out hunting and got a nice deer who would be able to pay $300, but not $450. An extra $150-$200 spread over a year is nothing. When I have customers who get a bear and want a rug ($1500-$1800) I tell them up front that because it's such a large amount I usually take payments and when their balance gets over 50% I start. Before I send it to the rugger, I've gotten 75%. I tell them that it's better to take longer and make payments and have a nice trophy you'll have forever, than to not get it mounted and then regret it forever. A lot of what determines whether people will pay is how you sell it. I always ask for the hunting story and that helps them remember how special the mount is. I get a lot of forkies to mount because in CA the hunting sucks because of mountain lions and bad management. A lot of people wonder if they should get it mounted because it's only a 2x2, but for CA, it's might be a nice 2x2 that's wide and tall, or a very small 3x3 that might be the biggest deer they ever shoot. I don't push them but I ask them questions like how long have they hunted, is this the biggest deer they've ever shot, do they ever plan on going out of state to hunt, etc. Sometimes I tell them a euro would be a good option. More often than not though, they decide to have a mount done because they want to preserve the memory of the hunt. If that means they have to pay $20-50 over a few months, or a year, then I'd rather do that than charge $300 for a deer. Again, this isn't aimed at people in the middle, but at people who say they can't get over $300 for a deer. Okay, not this thread has officially turned into one of those threads.
     
  12. livbucks

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    Yea but you obviously think about your business plan way more than the average hacker.
     
  13. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    People who are charging those ridiculously low prices for a deer head are not running a taxidermy business. They are just doing taxidermy for people. There is a big difference from one to the other.
     
  14. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Buckfever, Im not suggesting they move elsewhere to open a shop to keep doing taxidermy. Im saying if youre in an area thats so depressed you cant get a decent wage, before you charge so low its not making the numbers worth it...do something else. Anything else.
     
  15. livbucks

    livbucks Well-Known Member

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    Yea, you could do like Ron and make your wife cut them up for money while you sit on your tookiss not mounting them.

    and then go Elk wishing.
     
  16. Thats the way I read it Bill, my bad!
    But My friend you need to get in your car and ride around. Yo dont have a clue what a depressed area is. . In the entire Parish there is no kind of fast food (Wendy's, burgerking popeyes etc none,) No walmart, NO HOSPITIAL, no clothing stores, no car dealerships new or used, only ONE grocery store, There is no work ! as you put it (.do something else. Anything else.) there ain't nothing else!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensas_Parish,_Louisiana



    Tensas Parish (French: Paroisse des Tensas) is a parish located in the northeastern section of the State of Louisiana. As of the 2010 census, the population was 5,252, making it the least populous parish in Louisiana

    The former Newellton High School in Newellton and Waterproof High School and Lisbon Elementary School in Waterproof have closed because of decreased enrollments.

    As of the 2010 United States Census, there were 5,252 people residing in the county. 56.5% were Black or African American, 41.9% White, 0.2% Asian, 0.1% Native American, 0.5% of some other race and 0.8% of two or more races. 1.2% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race).
    As of the census of 2000, there were 6,618 people, 2,416 households, and 1,635 families residing in the parish. The population density was 11 people per square mile (4/km²). There were 3,359 housing units at an average density of 6 per square mile (2/km²). The racial makeup of the parish was 43.2% White, 55.6% Black or African American, 0.1% Native American, 0.2% Asian, 0.29% from other races, and 0.9% from two or more races. 1.4% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
    There were 2,416 households out of which 30.00% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 43.10% were married couples living together, 20.20% had a female householder with no husband present, and 32.30% were non-families. 29.30% of all households were made up of individuals and 14.90% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.54 and the average family size was 3.14.
    In the parish the population was spread out with 26.50% under the age of 18, 10.00% from 18 to 24, 25.10% from 25 to 44, 22.90% from 45 to 64, and 15.50% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 37 years.
    The median income for a household in the parish was $19,799, and the median income for a family was $25,739. Males had a median income of $26,636 versus $16,781 for females. The per capita income for the parish was $12,622. About 30.00% of families and 36.30% of the population were below the poverty line, including 48.20% of those under age 18 and 29.60% of those age 65 or over.

    SAD AINT IT ! :'( :'( :'( :'( Click that link and you will cry ! :'( :'( :'( :'(
     
  17. livbucks

    livbucks Well-Known Member

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    Buck you're kinda like the 7 that stands beside a 3 and then looks like a 10?
     
  18. I'm not sure what you mean. Are you coming on to me again! I done told you , you ain't rich enough to get in my panties. Go try Ronb. You perve !
     
  19. livbucks

    livbucks Well-Known Member

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    No...LOL...about you living in such a depressed area. Makes a millionaire look and seem like a billionaire.

    In my case a thousandaire.

    Be careful there. This aint CE ya know.
     
  20. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    so, why not open a BMW repair shop there instead?