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Fur slipping what would you do

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by rbear, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. Tell the customer the hide is slipping.

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  2. Make repairs and not tell customer.

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  1. rbear

    rbear Well-Known Member

    I have been doing taxidermy for 16yrs. In this time I have seen allot of things but this hide showed me no indication that it would slip. I have tanned coyotes that have green bellies and they turned out just fine. Why this one slipped I have no idea. The right ear and rt front food have completely bold spots. I can repair them and the customer would never know but have never had to make repairs like this without the customer knowing before the hide was tanned that there was a problem. What would you do in this case? I have already made my choice and will tell you what happened after a few people comment.
    Thanks
    Ralph
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  2. conor44

    conor44 New Member

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    Same thing's happening to me just today- took a fox skin out of the tanning solution, tried fitting it on the form, and I look at my hands and they are covered in hair from the legs. No bald spots as bad as that though but still really really annoying lol. The rest of the body, well maybe save the mask, is fine (for now :-\)
     

  3. BrianHendricks

    BrianHendricks Member

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    Ralph, Depending on position, I would probably just Apoxy, texture and airbrush. Then camouflage with a little habitat. Like just a little grass or weed leaf in front of it. Coner44, what do you mean, out of the tanning solution?
     
  4. Paul B

    Paul B Active Member

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    If you are set on using the hide and can repair it with no issues, I wouldn't say anything to the customer. Why draw attention to the area because you know that's where he's going to look first. Its all part of the job no different then fixing rage broad head damage or slug holes or capes that are cut wrong. Others here will show customer and charge extra for the repair, but you better make sure its perfect.
     
  5. conor44

    conor44 New Member

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    Hi Brian, bought a 'tanning kit' from Snowdonia Taxidermy in Wales UK, It is a solution rather than a cream.
     
  6. BrianHendricks

    BrianHendricks Member

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    Don't know the product or process. Paul makes a very strong point about not directing clients to flaws. They will be sure to point them out to all their friends.
     
  7. rbear

    rbear Well-Known Member

    As I stated this is the first time I have ever had this conversation with a client. Yes I did tell him and show him pic. of the problem spots. It did not go well. A week ago I told him there was an issue and showed him the pic. He accused me of everything from miss handling his animal to to stealing it because it was a coyote that was so prime it would not be seen for an other 20yrs. I'm confident I can repair this without the client noticing a thing but I wanted to be upfront and honest about what was going on. I know for a fact that he has bad mouthed me to other so I'm sure there will be some fall out. I personally feel bad about the whole thing because he did trust me with his trophy. But I do realize that probably whatever the problem was, it had already happened before I took it in. One thing I did do wrong was skinned tanned then did not look at the hide until I was ready to mount it. If I would have looked at it sooner I could have told him sooner. Next time I believe I will make the repairs first. In our last conversation I asked him to let me know what he wants to do. No word yet.
     
  8. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

    If you can repair it so it's not noticeable simply do so. If it's unmountable then you have no choice. I screwed up on a Cougar once on mouth position. I promised to fix it and when the customer came back she loved it. Then I showed her a photo of it after I cut it's head off. She freaked! She calmed down pretty quick and we had a laugh.
     
  9. Dogsteaks

    Dogsteaks New Member

    I wouldn't mention it. Sure, it might be "sneaky" to some or dishonest to others, but fixing damage is part of taxidermy and it's clear that you're not just going to throw your hands up and say "nothing I can do, it was like that when I got it". People will freak out no matter what and blame everything under the sun on you anyways when it comes to their mishandling of animals prior to skinning. :-\
     
  10. JerseyJays

    JerseyJays Well-Known Member

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    I had a bear rug to do for a guy who killed it in Canada and drove it home to new Jersey. I seen no issues when preparing for the tannery. I sent to the tannery and months later got a call about the hair slippage on the face of the bear.
    I called my client and explained and he was pretty angry. He blamed me and the tannery and said he paid my high prices to avoid these issues. I told him I would refund him all his deposit, I would remove the face from the eyes foward and rug it flat like a zebra would be done . I told him to come see it when it's done and he can either pay me for my labor or leave it with me and I will hang it for display. He agreed. Once he seen it we had a nice talk, he paid, and I believe he will use me again because I handled the situation the right way. I could have transplanted the face and never said anything but I would be angry if someone did that to me so I felt I should never do that to a client. All is well that ends well.
    Honesty is the best policy.
     
  11. magicmick

    magicmick magicmick

    I don't know if there is 1 on the market but someone should develop a small booklet containing photos that you can give your client explaining all the problems that can occur in the process of mounting their trophy this might soften the blow back on you guys.
    what do you think?
     
  12. Dogsteaks

    Dogsteaks New Member

    Sounds like a great idea
     
  13. Patch the foot and transplant new ears?
    Here's a patch I did on an August cape
     

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  14. rbear

    rbear Well-Known Member

    Great job. I could have done that and probably next time I will. I'm still waiting for this guy to come over and look at the hide. He was very adamant about looking at it first before I did anything to it. The ball is still in his court.
    Ralph
     
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  15. MooseFriend

    MooseFriend Just a moose from Canada, eh?

    I would have fixed it. It just feels like fixing it is part of the job in mounting it.

    Are there any tutorials or information on how to fix flipped fur? Or what to do to stop it once you've noticed it?
     
  16. dwimberly

    dwimberly Member

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    To me it is kind of like a Dr preforming surgery. As long as everything comes out fine in the end and there is no chance of future issues, why should the customer be told of any issues that occurred during the process. Some things are better left unsaid. I know there are certain things that I don't want to know and I am better off for that.
     
  17. Leroy22

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    question is how would that be fixed? I get coons caught in snares that mess up their wrist kinda like that. I try to close the gap between hair best I can without cutting the skin. Its not slipping but the same bald spot. I really would like to know the best way to repair that
     
  18. Bill Dishman

    Bill Dishman Well-Known Member

    repairs of any kind are up to and at the discretion of the taxidermist. Theres no reason to ask the customers permission to make needed repairs.
     
  19. rbear

    rbear Well-Known Member

    I would fix it by replacing the foot lower leg.
    The general consensus is to fix it and move on. I'm to the point where the next time this happens that's what will happen. I have still not received an answer from the client. The hide will set in the freezer until I get tired of looking at it.
    Thanks for your replies.
    Ralph
     
  20. Michelle_Nelson

    Michelle_Nelson Bring on the Bears!

    rbear,

    Your in a difficult situation. Like you I would have been torn between bringing it to the customers attention or just fixing it and moving on.

    Sometimes things like this happen where you can't come up with a reasonable explanation as to why. Maybe the hunter spilled something on the coyote? Maybe something got on that area while in the back of his truck? Possibly the coyote had an infection beginning (mange) that wasn't noticeable.


    I had a customer bring me 2 Elk that he wanted mounted. Frozen in huge balls. One from Saskatchewan and one local WA Bull. The local WA Bull ended up slipping, epidermis and hair. In one spot only. Right down the center of the back about 12"-16" long and 4-5" Wide. This cape was split all the way down the back (normal here). The slip was half on one side and half on the other. No hair issues any where else.