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Whitetail ear method with earliners, Bondo and the cartlidge left intact

Discussion in 'Deer and Gameheads' started by HunterArchery, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. A professional taxidermist told me about a alternate method he uses where he leave the ear cartridge intact (tho does open up the ear of course) and uses ear liners with Bondo in them as well w/o removing the cartridge with the same results as removing the ear cartridge prior to installing the earliners and Bondo. Has anyone else heard of this and/or does this?
    thanks
     
  2. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Holy thickness batman, pick a damn method and master it, don't combine them all. It seems we all have our own idea as to what is acceptable, I'm betting I wouldn't think ears done that way are acceptable.
     

  3. Well I dunno honestly! I am a Newbie and was taught 1 way by MY mentor of 17 yrs experience that the ear cartilage HAD to be removed!

    I personally have NOT seen ANY DVD's and video's anywhere thus far by Dennis Behn, Rick Carter, Marc Anthony and such leaving cartilage left IN!

    I didn't even KNOW that was possible when adding either earliners and/or Bondo into the ears!

    Thanks
     
  4. Well brother - I am NEW and there are always NEW methods coming on on ways to do things and I want to be SURE to do the RIGHT THING for he best mount is all!
     
  5. whitetails and fish only

    whitetails and fish only Well-Known Member

    I think that leaving cartilage in the ear and using ear liners with bondo is actually an old method that was used before removing the cartilage became a common practice. With practice, removing the cartilage is a quick easy job and makes a much nicer ear.
     
  6. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Here's my take on that method you posted, first the ear is as thick as it was already with the cartilage in it, why would you want to make it thicker? Especially when it is unnecessary. That method may do, what I consider, a half assed job and give you thick unnatural ears that will likely drum, if that is what you are looking for by all means, have at it. My opinion, and that may not be worth chit, is the best ears are done by removing cartilage and installing liners with a good glue and carding the edges til they dry. My recommendation to you since you are new the this would be to try multiple methods and see which way gives you the best finished product. No I don't mean practice on whole shoulder mounts, acquire a bunch of ears and some liners and go to it. Prep the ears as you would for a shoulder mount like tan or DP.
     
  7. OK thanks. Well I am not watching the Joe Coomb's Whitetail mounting method that came HIGHLY recommended from MANY pro's and it appears even in HIS DVD that he has left the cartilage intact while adding Bondo and fiberglass (but no earliner itself) into the ears.

    And we all know Joe's reputation and ow many National AWARDS he has WON!
     
  8. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Very few folks, that claim to be able to do a thin, good Bondo ear, actually can. I personally can't say that Mr Coombs is one of them, haven't paid attention to his mounts and no I don't know about his accomplishments, I've ordered from his company on occasion but that is it. They leave the cartilage in but do not add a liner, that's the reason for my first reply, pick a method, don't combine. If you can perfect the Bondo process, go for it. You asked for input, I gave it. PS. I used the method you asked about on my first deer mount many years ago, wished I hadn't.
     
  9. OK I asked for peoples opinion and you gave it. And I respect it. I'm just curious how many awards you one versus Joe and Mary coombs themselves?
     
  10. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Hunter Archery, forgive me if I don't give a damn how many awards anyone has won. Is Joe Coombs a better deer taxidermist than me, probably, I don't care. You missed my point all along. I hope that maybe those with better comprehension abilities than yourself will understand my point, the method you asked about, will work but there are other methods available that give far superior results.
    I'll leave you to your idol worship and return to earning the awards that matter the most to me. They're green and are accepted everywhere in exchange for goods or services.
     
  11. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Well-Known Member

    The bondo with liners technique with cartilage in is probably older than the one where the cartilage is removed. If memory serves me right, I didn't start hearing about removing the cartilage until the early 2000s or so and I did a bunch of deer with cartilage in with liner and bondo technique with no drumming problems. Leaving the cartilage in will result in a slightly thicker ear. A thinner ear is the only advantage to removing the cartilage. Honestly, for commercial work, clients will not notice the extra ear thickness and there will be fewer cases of damaged ears with the cartilage in. A bondo/cartilage in/ear liner will result in a very tough ear though that will resist damage better than any other technique that I have seen used. The only people that will likely notice if the cartilage is in or not are taxidermists.
     
  12. Ok remember you asked!
    Bondo will not stick to a plastic earliner. It just won't period.
    About the only half a$$ way is to drill a bunch of frigen holes in it. Then your not sticking bondo to a liner just bondo to bondo. And its still half ass, its gonna drum down in the canal, you can bet the dam farm on it.
    Bondo with the cartlidge left in works just fine and with practice is as good as a liner. I been doing that way for 30 years. Personally I dont care for liners and its only personal preference, which is another discussion not this one.
    Just for chits and giggles yes i have left cartlidge in when doing liners but used a two part epoxy glue. Did it work yes but just not worth the time and mess it made. Again opnion.
    Liners are simply done best with cartlidge removed.
    Can your mentor do what he says, proabley No one is saying it cant be done just that there is a better way.

    Yes Joe has won an award or two " back in the day". In your own words things change and improve thats doesnt always mean the taxidermist improved. Most get stuck in there ways and dont try to stay current in there process. Most are to stubborn to change and somes ego to inflated to see that another way can be better.
    Do I know Joe? Yes, have I viewed his word champ deer ? Yes , Hopefully i don't have to explain those 2 questions.
     
  13. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Well-Known Member

    This statement is absolutely not true. Bondo (Evercoat) will stick to a clean ear liner. I had a junk ear liner handy along with some bondo, so I applied some to the liner (Mckenzie). To prep it I wiped it with a rag soaked with plain water. I liightly sanded one side and did nothing to the other. I put a thin, hot coat on the tip of each side of the liner and in 15 minutes I can't scrape it off with my thumb nail and it is not fully hardened yet. Saying bondo does not stick to a ear liner is fake news.
     
  14. Every once in a while kicking a broken appliance makes it start working again.
    Every once in a while heating a cd with a lighter makes it play again
    Every once in a while no body has a smartass reply to a topic posted.
    Every once in a while we all agree 100% on something.

    Thats not the case today is it
     
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  15. Nope - that's why I don't participate in forums generally - because many times it illicites arguments, people can't have a civil discussion without being sarcastic, a know it all sometimes or allowing their egos to get in the way of legitimate questions from people new hobby or business!

    Do not cool.
     
  16. I disagree as well! My mentor of 17 yrs of owning his own full time professional shop in the Northeast and I have used Bondo on Mckenzie plastic earliners roughened up with a serrated fish scaler tool or a Joe Coombs Do-All too as well and we have done this with a damp Cape with damp ears as well and have NEVER, EVER, EVER had a single issue EVEN ONCE!
    They dry hard as rock in minutes after we firm and shape the ears and edges and it works awesome!
     
  17. I didn't say Joe is my IDOL! There are many good taxidermists out there today that I have and watched their DVD's and have seen their methods as well! Marc Anthony, Rick Carter, Dennis Behn, and some great local guys who have won lots of awards as well.

    Please font out words IN MY MOUTH THAT I DID NOT SAY!
    I NEVER SAID THAT Joe Coombs was ANY idol of mine! Jesus I GOT his damn DVD TODAY for God's sake and only watched but HALF of it and was just curious about his ear method as I have never seen anyone leave ear cartilidge in that I know if.
    That's all - I simply asked 1 darn question!

    PS Jesus is my only idol guys...
     
  18. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Since you asked for opinions, I will give you mine, IF you don't jump down my throat after I give it. Is that acceptable?
     
  19. davehyer

    davehyer Active Member

    You wont see anyone compete for awards today with bondo earliners, the methods you were watching are still used today, but not as widely as they used to be.

    If used correctly, there is no better way than removing cartilage and using an ear liner. That's my opinion.
     
  20. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Dude, I'm sorry I ever answered this question of yours. I should have remembered the last time I answered a question of yours, you were argumentative then as well. I will try harder to remember next time not to waste my time.. I like to help others, it is my personality, I thought it was a good trait but I guess it must be a flaw instead. Thanks for pointing that out. Good luck, you'll go far with your attitude.