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Ran Out Of Tanning Oil!!!

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by Lance Smith, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. Lance Smith

    Lance Smith New Member

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    Newbie question, I ran out of tanning oil!! I want to get a head start on some work. If I pickle a deer hide (hair on) for 3 days and then neutralize it. Then string it up on a frame to let it dry, then break the hide. What will happen? What im asking is what will happen if i skip the brush on tanning oil ?? Will it be soft if I break it? Or will the hair fall out? What does the tanning oil do to the hide after the pickle?
     
  2. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    If, by tanning oil you mean a brush on tanning agent, then if you skip it, you will have a pickled hide. Brush on tanning agent tans the hide.

    I would towel dry the neutralized hide and freeze it. Order your tan and then finish it out.
     
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  3. Lance Smith

    Lance Smith New Member

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    Yessir, the tanning agent. What exactly does the tanning agent do to the pickled hide? Can the hide be used for anything if it were just pickled? Just curious as to the process and reasons for the steps,
    Thank you again
     
  4. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    I don't mean to sound course, however, There is not enough time or space to properly answer you question.
    The simple answer is that it changes the composition of the hide down to the molecular level, which gives it the characteristics desirable for a soft usable hide that is essentially leather with hair on it.

    The archives have about a half year or so of reading on the subject. Before I ever tanned anything, I spent about a year studying it. Even so, I can't hold a candle to some on here. Cyclone, on here, can give you a chemists version of anything you ask. I cannot. I do know what has worked for me though.
     
  5. Lance Smith

    Lance Smith New Member

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    Thank you very much, I will start to research the tanning archive section for further info, thank you
     
  6. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    You are welcome.
     
  7. Fallenscale

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    If it kept where it's dry it will hold it hair. But the hide in time can break down causing hair to fall out. Im not sure you can get it to soften up well you would need to oil the hide. The big question is what are you going to do with the hide?

    But the answer is you will not have a tanned hide. You will have a preserve hide under the right conditions. With a much shorter shelf life.
     
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  8. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    A pickled dried hide that is neutralized will only have issues.
    If you try breaking it, it’ll only crack for nothing was done to change the fibers in the skin.
    Leave it in the pickle till you get your rub on tan. From there you can proceed.

    This is a big problem to those who tan skins properly. In our world of tanning, tanning oil is something totally different than what you call tanning oil in which it tans and some products have tanning oil in it so you don’t need to do that extra step as the pros do.
     
  9. Lance Smith

    Lance Smith New Member

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    Was just curious as to what would have happened if that part of the process was skipped. Thank you
     
  10. Lance Smith

    Lance Smith New Member

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    What is the difference between a tan and tanning oil? And if I'm tanning a hide to mount, will I use a tan or the tanning oil? Thank you
     
  11. Fallenscale

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    I think to end some confusion. There is a rub on tan. Many brands some use the term tanning cream,oil tan,rub on tan,brush on tan.Then there oils that are rubbed in the hide after tanning. This oil helps the hide to stay soft for rugs,wall hangers,garments ect. In a mount it extends the life of the hide from drying out cracking mostly around the nose,eyes and ears. It also aids in giving the hide stretch while mounting.while most rub on tans contain a oil many omit oiling the hide again if it going to be mounted.
     
  12. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Yes, that is correct. Some call rub on/paint on tans tanning oil, which, in my opinion should not be called tanning oil. I use an oil that is separate from the tanning agent after it has been tanned for the same reasons Fallenscale indicated. I oil the hide even after I use the brush on tan. It gives it incredible stretch and helps to eliminate shrinkage after mounting.
     
  13. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    The Breakthrough tanning manual is very useful to learn aspects of tanning and uses of different tans. It helped me a lot.
     
  14. cyclone

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    There are oils used in tanning which are applied to hides after tanning in order to help with breaking, stabilize the tan, and keep the hide soft by lubricating fibers and locking in some moisture. Tanning oils are used most often after or in conjunction with a submersible tan.


    Not to be confused with tanning creams, paint on tans, rub on tans which are now days, and somewhat confusingly, being referred to as "tanning oils". They contain both tanning reagents and tanning oils to achieve results in the same step.



    To answer your question about what a tanning agent does it crosslinks proteins within the collagen structure of the hide thus stabilizing it. Without the tanning step you only have a pickled hide as everyone else has mentioned.

    and this is the quick answer..
     
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  15. cyclone

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