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Male Or Female

Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by Lance.G, May 23, 2019.

  1. Lance.G

    Lance.G Active Member

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    6AD84D20-D5FA-4064-BCBB-C7352866C143.jpeg I caught this wild brown 2 weeks ago. I didn’t get a good look at the vent. I’m am curious if it’s a male or female. I thought late spring male but I’m not 100%. The fish was 19”. What do y’all think?
     
  2. Sotired

    Sotired Active Member

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    600px-Mars-male-symbol-pseudo-3D-blue.svg.png
     
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  3. Bryan Russell

    Bryan Russell Member

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    No doubt it’s a male
     
  4. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    hmm these days its safer to say transgender
     
  5. Sotired

    Sotired Active Member

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    ...or pansexual?:rolleyes:

    Perhaps, "Identifies as..."?:D
     
  6. Lance.G

    Lance.G Active Member

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    Thanks for the feedback everyone.
     
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Did you know you're supposed to be able to tell by the anal fin when they are as small as 4 inches according to an old text I have?
    Outside edge of male fin convex (
    Outside eve of female fin concave )

    Also says so at a another source I found on the Internet with the following picture. Male on the left female on the right.

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    I've seen this in two sources now. Unfortunately I forget to verify it with my own fish.
     
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  8. Lance.G

    Lance.G Active Member

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    Very cool info. Thanks Cecil
     
  9. Mudbat

    Mudbat Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he identifies as a female lake trout?
     
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  10. Sotired

    Sotired Active Member

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    Yes, and is cross-dressing :p
     
  11. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Did you guys know some male bluegills mimic females in appearance at spawning time to sneak in and quickly fertilize the females eggs? Allegedly the dominant large male thinks it's another female and is taken off guard. They are know as sneaker males etc.

    ABSTRACT Male bluegill sunfish are shown to have two alternative mating strategies: cuckoldry or parental care.Cuckolder males first mature at age2.They followa develop- mental sequence of sneaking and then mimicking female be- havior to deceptively gain access to spawnings.Males who become parentals(constructnests,attractfemales,providebroodcare) delaymaturation until age 7.The parental investment of the se males is parasitized by the cuckolders.This system is an exam ple of a truly parasiticaly dependent mating strategy in vertebrates. A natural selection model is developed to predict the equilibrium frequencies of the two male types. A prelimi-nary test of the model provides qualitative agreement.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/77/11/6937.full.pdf

    One source I read says bluegill courtship is one of the most complex among vertebrates and they are all kinds of sounds under water.
     
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  12. I guess there's sneaker males in every species ,some guys will do anything to get them females,lol.
     
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  13. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    And folks now see transgender is in nature as well hmmmm makes you think a bit more
     
  14. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member

    Contrary to popular belief transgender animals are not that uncommon in nature. Two penguins at a zoo were thought to be male and female since they copulated, and it turned out when they had a physical they were both males. Two female birds have been know to sit on eggs that have never been fertilized.
     
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