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Mckenzie Now Charging Sales Tax?

Discussion in 'The Taxidermy Industry' started by Trophy Specialist, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Active Member

    I was going over my bills and noticed that McKenzie is now charging sales tax. I have to pay sales tax to the state of Michigan for certain supplies, but not everything. Now I'm not sure what to do. I called McKenzie and they said that they are charging everybody tax for everything now. No other supplier is doing this. What's everybody else doing? That may be my last order at McKenzie.
     
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  2. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    We've had this discussion recently. It was an easy fix for me I filed an exempt form with them. It won't be only them, it is likely just that the states can find them easier because they are big. Complain to your state, not that it will do any good. The supreme court ruled on the side of the states.
     
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  3. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Active Member

    Complain to my state, now that's a good one. LOL So I'll likely have to file exemption forms with every supplier I order from? So far it's just McKenzie.
     
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  4. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I know, PIA but it is what it is, unless you are interested in taking on the supreme court justices. I'm not. I'll let you and many out there in on something I found out. In MN, and I'm sure other states, if you order supplies from suppliers out of state for your own use, you are supposed to pay use tax on those supplies. How many do that?. Here we are required to collect and pay sales tax on every mount we do for customers, so use tax isn't required on those supplies, surprisingly?
     
  5. Joe Kish

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    This is from Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition:

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    It is perfectly lawful to avoid tax, but unlawful to evade tax. Notice in the definition it says: "levied for the purpose of preventing tax avoidance..." You can't possibly be avoiding a tax willfully or unwillfully if the product you buy from another state source isn't manufactured, sold or otherwise available in your home state, now can you? Therefor this is a cause of action against your home state's taxing agency possibly for constructive fraud.

    Constructive fraud is a legal fiction describing a situation where a person or entity gained an unfair advantage over another by deceitful or unfair methods. Intent does not need to be shown as in the case of actual fraud.

    In the second paragraph it reads: "A levy on privilege of using, within taxing state, property purchased outside the state, if the property.. etc...." Since when is it a privilege to use property purchased outside your state when your state has no power or authority to require another state to declare the use of its products as a privilege? And what if you don't accept your state's privilege when you already have a right to make a living without permission from a state. You're subject to that privilege only if you were brainwashed into believing that you needed permission from the state in the form of a license to make a living in taxidermy, an occupation of common right, and willfully gave up your right when you applied and accepted your state's privilege. NOW, I can see how a licensee might be subject to a tax that is at issue here.
    Do you or do you not think it's still possible to find a remedy besides or in addition to that tax exempt "privilege?"
     
  6. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

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    Joe, I believe I understand your point. It boils down to the fact that I don't have the time, energy or resources to press this issue, maybe you do but I do not. We have to pick our battles and this one doesn't make the cut for me. There is a way for me to circumvent the issue and it only took a couple minutes out of my time to fill out a form and send it in.
    I have taken on different branches of the government in my life and my experiences in doing so have shown to me that there are typically 2 outcomes, it always costs me money and they always win. Making a grandstand against the state on this issue will not support my family. That is what I care most about and if I have to play by the rules that the government sets forth to do so, then so be it.
     
  7. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    I posted this over a month ago , as I thought it was F ed up . But the letter said as of February 1 it would start here in MD
     
  8. Joe Kish

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  9. Now I even get charged sales tax on things I buy from ebay.
     
  10. donkeyman

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    yes and ebay also charges tax on the shipping too - buy from states that don't charge sales tax like Oregon - " research " has a big catalogue.
     
  11. Trophy Specialist

    Trophy Specialist Active Member

    Even on used stuff?
     
  12. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Just curious about this. What percentage rate are they charging? Your state rate or the rate from the state it is shipped from? (If there is a difference between the two) In Tennessee the state rate is 7% but almost all local governments add more. In my county it is additional 2.75% making the sales tax rate 9.75%. The advantage is Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax...yet.
     
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  13. donkeyman

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    ebay charges tax on the total sale which includes the shipping - yes on anything you buy
     
  14. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    The disgusting stench of liberalism has oozed up from California into Oregon and the state is always seeking a sales tax on top of our property taxes. It is always voted down, but I think that Kate Brown is furiously looking for ways to circumvent the system to implement it. So, place your orders from Research while you can.
     
  15. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Governments are always looking for ways to raise taxes. If this county could they would increase the sales tax further. What is irrating is they try to hide behind children all the time to implement their increases. "It's for the schools and our children." Bullcrap! Somehow the money always seems to go elsewhere, mainly employee salary raises. They passed a property tax increase here to build a new consolidated high school then decided not to build it but our taxes didn't go back down to where it was before.
     
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  16. joeym

    joeym Jeannette & Joey @ Dunn's Falls

    I've been paying "Use Taxes" for years on supplies purchased from other states. It's a cost I have to absorb, since there is no sales tax on taxidermy in my state. It stinks to pay my state $300-500 per quarter for items purchased in another state....but it's another "cost of doing business" legally.
     
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  17. Richard C

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    Our government must have put the squeeze on MacKenzie to get them to do it as they are the largest supply co. i wonder what else they will squeeze out of them as they have the name and addresses of all "taxidermists" licensed and "unlicensed" .
     
  18. Rick Carter

    Rick Carter Administrator

    Get over it. I promise you it wasn't McKenzie's idea to charge tax. The other suppliers will all have to follow suit or face prosecution for tax evasion. They wont be sculpting from a jail cell or shipping from a padlocked business.
     
  19. 3bears

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    Is there really anything to get over? If you have a legitimate business it is as easy as filing an exempt form with them. My customers pay the sales tax, not me. I'm forced to collect it or face a shit show that I don't want to be part of. I agree with folks bitching about the government taking more money from us but it is not McKenzie's fault. They are just doing what is enforced upon them by a money hungry government.
     
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  20. FishArt

    FishArt Well-Known Member

    I don't like paying more for things. But, IMO it's creating a more level playing field. All out of state purchases should be taxed. Any out of state orders should not have the advantage of being tax-free and this alone has probably put a lot of local businesses out of business.