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Polytranspar Water Based Not Sticking

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by song dog, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. song dog

    song dog New Member

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    Little background since it's my first time posting. (lurking and learning from this site for over a year now...You guys and gals are great!)

    Obviously since i'm posting in the Beginners section, I'm just that. Have a few WT shoulder mounts, one strutting turkey, and a squirrel under my belt! haha!

    My question is on finish painting a deer. The first few deer I painted I used cheap acrylic paints, thinned and airbrushed (Paasche H). Major pain of paint sputtering and paint drying in the brush as you can imagine.

    Last order of materials I made, I went ahead and purchased Polytranspar WB paints to try them out. Also got retarder and fungicidal sealer.

    Anyway, got around to using the new paints and loved how much better they sprayed and just acted overall from what I started using. The issue I'm having is when I brush the paint out of the hair in the ears and around the eyes, the paint comes right off. Even barely brushing.

    Had no issue of this with the acrylics. I could brush and brush all I wanted and as hard as I needed to get the paint out of the hair but the paint stuck where it was supposed to.

    I was so excited to try this Polytranspar, only to end up with it not sticking. What is going on? I shook the paint up well before using. Used it straight out of the bottles, no thinning, no retarder. Used the fungicidal sealer first. Thought I was doing it right and was going to love the results.

    Anyone have any words of wisdom? Experienced this before?
     
  2. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    Nothing unusual, skin really needs to be clean and paint really needs to be dried good before working it off the hair.
    There’s a lot of wax and oils on the ears due to the animal plus oil from the tannery.
    Wash real good with ammonia water mix or be careful using acetone to clean the skin.
    Then paint, let dry real good and using a soft toothbrush or a terry cloth towel to rub off.
    This will probably aid you better
     

  3. song dog

    song dog New Member

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    Thanks. How long do you let dry? I didn't do anything different from when I used the crappy paint and it stuck fine. That's what's throwing me off.
     
  4. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    To be honest it can vary with waterbase paints. Humidity, the thickness, temperature, if you added retarder to it.
    So I can’t say. 5-10-15 minutes?
     
  5. song dog

    song dog New Member

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    ok so I'm well over the 15 minute mark before I started brushing. No retarder. Cleaned with acetone before painting.

    Maybe I had it on too thick in the ears and around eyes?

    Would different colors act differently with these paints? It seems the white and flesh didn't stick but the black/gray mixture on the nose did fine.
     
  6. FishArt

    FishArt Well-Known Member

    I was going to say it may depend on how thick you sprayed the paint. An yes, the color of the paint may matter as well as some paints have more pigment in them and visa versa. Generally speaking, an hour or two should suffice. But, I know I can wipe off WB paint still after a couple of hours with a damp cloth. Let it set up overnight and you'll still be able to wipe off some, but not nearly as much. Don't be in such a hurry. Let it dry overnight and you should be fine...
     
  7. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    I always sprayed a clear coat sealer over the water based paint on deer and never had the experience that you are having. I never rubbed the painted ares very hard. Just the hair got a good rubbing with a paper towel.
     
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  8. tem

    tem Well-Known Member

    yep.let it dry.some times i paint real light,dry,and paint again. i lay the hair on my finger and brush off the hair with a soft tooth brush. and as tanglewood mention. spray a clear coat sealer over paint. in time youll master it.
     
  9. song dog

    song dog New Member

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    An
    any special kind of clear coat sealer?
     
  10. joeym

    joeym Jeannette & Joey @ Dunn's Falls

    I use Krylon Matte as a clearcoat sealer. It dries with no gloss.
     
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  11. Jon S

    Jon S Well-Known Member

    I feel your pain. For some reason I could never paint a deer ear well with polytranspar white. It just wouldn't cover or stick well, like you are saying. I have mixed a drop or two of brown into the white and it would help out some, but other whites worked better.
    I think it is because it is hard to layer it lightly in a deer ear and it gets painted in too heavy and won't stick.
    If you already have a white that works for you, stay with it.
     
  12. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    Just a note here Deer ears are not white. You see white cause it’s dead. They are flesh colored and come in many different flesh tones.
     
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  13. tem

    tem Well-Known Member

    i use what joeym uses.
     
  14. song dog

    song dog New Member

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    I will spray some flesh and a little brown over the white. Going by Rick Carter's video, as this is all I really know, I use the white as a base. Maybe skip the white if that's the problem color?
     
  15. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    A deer's eye skin is some what porous, so the paint stays better. The inner ear skin is not porous, but has a slickness to it. I always struggled a little on the ears. I always cleaned them well with lacquer thinner or acetone before painting. I actually cleaned all surfaces before painting.