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Hair Slippage

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by Bruce M, Mar 28, 2020.

  1. Bruce M

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    Is there anything that can be done when hair slippage is occurring? Hide was tanned - obviously wrong - just wondering if there is anything I can do to save the Cape or should I be starting to look for a new one? I'm new at this and learning. Thanks
     
  2. Bruce M

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    CRAP!!!!!
     

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  3. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    A proper tan won't cause slippage. Everything that occurs before tanning is where the trouble is. It could be one step, two or all of them. There is a domino effect that can occur also. Bacteria is your enemy and everything you do prior to tanning should be to prevent them from working on your skins.

    It's impossible to know what went wrong without knowing the the process from when it was shot to when you took this picture.
     
  4. Bruce M

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    Yeah....im guessing that is where the problem lies or it could be that I froze the hide pretty wet at one point prior to tanning. That would be my fault. I saw you mention freezing a wet hide is BAD in another thread somewhere. Is it saveable?
     
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  5. Bruce M

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    Or should I start over? I have a back up cape
     
  6. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Once slipped you can't add that back, however, once it is dry, the hair shouldn't slip anymore. Freezing wet after the tan is where the problem can lie, not before.

    When ever I have something like this happen, I just try stuff I have heard of to see what happens.
     
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  7. 13 point

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    I’ve never ever had a problem with a wet or dry tanned hide put in the freezer , matter of fact I tan and put every cape directly in the freezer wet , I agree the issue started before the tanning but don’t think it’s from the freezing it wet .
     
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  8. Bruce M

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    Would you proceed with trying mount with this hide and hope the hair locks in when it is dry?
     
  9. 13 point

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    If you dont mess with those spots and mount it then no more hair should come out and it will dry and be fine . Usually what has slipped will stop somewhere . Just don’t pull at it . If spots aren’t bad and it don’t bother you then mount it . I’m not sure what I’d do , as it’s not in front of me to judge . If it were a clients I’d call them and tell them the issue and ask what they would want me to do . We as taxidermist can’t garuntee hide or capes as we don’t know how they were taken care of in the field . I let all my clients know that and if there is the slightest odor of stink I write it on there receipt and call them immediately to cover my azz . Some slip spots you can cut out and mount others are still what I call loose and will dry but might have a raised hair area around it as the epidermis has kinda lifted then locked back in
     
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  10. Bruce M

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    I'm gonna go for it...I was mixing. Bondo for the ears as I got your notification. I'm hoping that, once dry, the hair will lock. I made the mistake of pulling at a couple spots with the thought that, if I got to the edge of the bad spot, i could cut it out and stitch - which i did. But now there is another spot on the neck. BLEEP! I'm going to go for it - it is for a friend and he will take what he gets as I'm paying for all of it. I kinda want to see what will happen....figure all I will be out is time. If it is really bad, I will RIP it apart and use the backup cape I have. And I will have gained good experience. Here goes!!! I'll let you know - thanks for your support and insights!!
     
  11. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Goodluck
     
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  12. Bruce M

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    Ears in...going on the form now!
     
  13. Dwb5

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    What I do is cut it out then sew it back up. Then do some clay work where the spot is going to be at on the form. That way I can press the seems in the clay and you wont see,or feel them as bad..
     
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  14. Bruce M

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    Thanks for that tip. Good idea.
     
  15. Bruce M

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    Well, 13 point and Dwb5 and Tanglewood, it went together without any "noticeable" globs of hair falling out. Now I'm not going to even breath on it until it is gone dry, crossing my fingers each day until they won't go back!!!! If there is anything any of you think might work, I'm open to anything you think. I am a scientist and this is an experiment with a 7 hr. setup. I know, I'm slow. Thanks for all of your encouragement and suggestions.
     

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  16. 13 point

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    Glad u got it together, not sure what you mean not breath on it till dry , you should be retucking and adjusting your mounts for the next 3-4 days , that’s how you keep anything from moving to far like your lip line and eyes , retuck and adjust them tomorrow and even the next day . You really want it to dry as slow as possible, I bag all all my mounts loosely, like I put a bag over the head let it sit on the rack and open at bottom, bag really isn’t even touching the mount just pulled over it .
     
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  17. Bruce M

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    Thanks, going to do the bagging before I go to bed. What I got from others is that the slipping hair might lock down once the mount is dry. But I will also monitor like you said over the short term to make sure things stay in shape and I place....good reminder
     
  18. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Bruce, you didn't ask for a critique, however, I just wanted to say that if that mount dries to look as well as it does now, your friend should be pleased.
     
  19. Bruce M

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    Thanks - that is a very nice compliment. And I am open to critiques any time from you . Thanks for your encouragement.
     
  20. Bruce M

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    Working on the mount from 2 weeks ago. Hair seems to have locked. Doing some gentle grooming and nothing falling out. I think I'm going to start pickling hides and see if that gives better results.