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A Public Service Announcement From Joe Kish

Discussion in 'The Taxidermy Industry' started by Joe Kish, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. Joe Kish

    Joe Kish Well-Known Member

    This is a message for those of you reading this who are domiciled in Texas or otherwise subject to Its laws. I offer this as a reminder to those already aware of the provisions of our Constitution and for the benefit of those who don’t know but need to know for future reference so they will be able to act judiciously and wisely in this current atmosphere of tyranny which has currently been unleashed upon the good people of Texas and the U. S. of A.

    Our state Constitution begins right off in Article I with a Bill of Rights. I have isolated three sections here below of vital importance to keep in mind when some government employee tells you that you are prohibited from gathering in church or in restaurants, or to keep the doors of your taxidermy business open and operating as usual. If you voluntarily comply with such prohibitions, and I don’t fault anyone who does or must, all circumstances considered, you will be voluntarily waiving your rights. You decide what’s best for you under such circumstances, but as I have written here before, once you give up your rights, you’ll likely never see them again in your lifetime. If you don’t push back even a little at these unconstitutional strictures being unlawfully forced upon us by little Mussolini- like piss ant tyrants known as mayors, governors, presidents and congressional vermin in general, you’ll be doing yourself and yours a grave injustice.

    You are on your own for now at least. Your taxidermy association won’t help you even if such clubs had the will or know-how, and neither will any church under threat of losing its tax exempt status, etc. Your elected officials are not in the business of protecting the citizenry these days either. You do as you must, but if you’re scared wit-less to even talk about it here and elsewhere, then you’re already lost.

    Skip Section 26 at the top. The vital sections are 27, 28, and 29. This is from my 2014 copy of the Constitution, but I guarantee the Bill of Rights hasn’t changed to date.

    Texas Bill of Rights - Copy.jpg
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  2. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    Good right up joe ,I wonder what would happen if people protest on our capital building steps or if a bunch of people go into a church, right now in PA we are surrounded by cowards and pansies who wont speak up or fight for our constitutional or human rights.you know our local taxidermy convention clubs wont fight for us or put up a fight . Even though i see many many many taxidermy shops """illegally """" operating right now
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  3. wa

    wa Thanks John...this depicts me better

    What the hell?
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  4. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    Hey joe you and I talked on the phone a month or two ago . Look at what the taxidermy associations and people are doing . What are they doing for the working taxidermist ? They surely arent standing up for us and saying hey this is wrong and illegal . They are simply for the profit and laude for the shows . Nothing for the rights of there own members. Look at Pennsylvania, dont see a peep out of those people And we have it worse in the whole nation as far as the politics and stuff going on .
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  5. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    Joe we also have PA house bill 2344 ,which I'm sure if you look it up will force us to get a permit to buy ammo ,limit our ammo quantities as well as track our ammo purchases and tax them more. I believe that affects us all as PA people and our associations should fight and make people aware of these injustices going on right now and the liberties we are losing . But what is there response ? To tell people they wont have a mini show and to post reference pictures and memes . What a worthless thing to put money into
  6. 3bears

    3bears Well-Known Member

    Here's a thought, step up, become an active member or even a board member and help correct the faults that you see in any of these associations from within.
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  7. Joe Kish

    Joe Kish Well-Known Member

    Thanks for stepping into the conversation. We were all afraid once. We were all brainwashed once. But once I internalized the fact that they (government employees) work for us and not vice versa and that they are the servants and we are the masters, I started questioning authority. It’s not a truism to say you can’t fight city hall. (Go ahead challenge me on this.) It can be more expensive than the average person can afford, and it can entail real risk to life and limb, but if you can’t afford the expense or the risk, at least support those who can. (GOA, NRA, your favorite alternative media site, etc.) You can’t fight city hall especially if you never read the law of the land, our state and federal constitutions. Like I said above, “….if you’re scared wit-less to even talk about it here and elsewhere, then you’re already lost.”

    To further show that the men who wrote our state constitutions were intelligent, educated and thoughtful men who understood the importance of the inherent rights common to all men, they all produced constitutions for their states that closely resemble each other, usually starting with a Bill of Rights. Such is proof enough to me that RIGHTS were first and foremost the most important.

    Notice how Sections 12. And 25. of your state constitution’s Bill of Rights are the same as Sections 28 and 29 of the Texas Bill of Rights. And notice here that Section 21 of your Constitution is phrased quite unlike no other. I love its phraseology: (All emphasis added.) If PA's pending house bill 2344 isn't contrary to Section 12, I don't know what is. These so-called legislators are begging people to advance on Harrisburg with pitchforks and tar and feathers.

    As for PA’s taxidermy licensing system, that it exists at all is simply proof that your taxidermy association doesn’t find a problem with its members making a living by a privilege granted from the state rather than by a common law right. As I’ve said repeatedly, it’s a question of leadership.

    Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania


    § 21. Right to bear arms.
    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

    § 12. Power of suspending laws.
    No power of suspending laws shall be exercised unless by the
    Legislature or by its authority.
    § 25. Reservation of powers in people.
    To guard against transgressions of the high powers which we
    have delegated, we declare that everything in this article is
    excepted out of the general powers of government and shall
    forever remain inviolate.

    (May 16, 1967, P.L.1035, J.R.1)

    1967 Amendment. Joint Resolution No.1 repealed former
    section 25 and renumbered former section 26 to present section
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  8. Jerry Huffaker

    Jerry Huffaker Well-Known Member

    :confused: Hilarious , very entertaining Joe keep em coming!
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  9. Terry Bennett

    Terry Bennett Well-Known Member

    My libertarian side tends to agree with some of your views Joe, but I would argue that taxidermy associations are not the best organizations to fight constitutional battles.
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  10. Joe Kish

    Joe Kish Well-Known Member

    Good point. Well taken. Taxi associations are art clubs at best with bylaws that make a pretense of supporting conservation and standing up against government rules and regs that impede our free and constitutional free practice of taxidermy. That makes many of them frauds whereas all they have to do is drop references to conservation and standing against harmful legislation toward taxidermy and taxidermists and they would be in reality recognized and respected for what they actually are in fact: Art clubs.
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  11. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    Exactly joe you couldn't say it better they say in there pre ambles that they are for the art of taxidermy and for the benefit of them and there business but truly are not and just in it for the shows. Really just frauds and for the looks and to look good . Years ago you approached the pta to change there pre amble and I'm not sure the word there initial statement that they are for education and conservation but have not shown that . These groups will not fight for our rights regardless of constitutional rights or small laws at that . It doesnt matter if they are small or national issues ,the issue is here in PA we are being forced to not work and our customers and customer base is being destroyed which in turn affects us. Harmful legislation towards us and our customers. Just like those screenshots I sent you off from the PTA facebook months ago these are meer just art clubs ,or taxidermy convention clubs
  12. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    The more I read from you the DUMBER YOU GET . When your dead because you listened to someone as stupid as you it don’t matter what you do or don’t do YOUR DEAD .
  13. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    Hey 13 point ,have your state shut your business down and make life harder for you. I believe that if you give an inch they take a mile ,this flu is bs ,the fact the government is way over reaching there powers is illegal and unconstitutional. The fact that you dont see it that way or offended maybe you should go live in a socialist or communist country becuase that's how it is up here . The only stupid people are you who believe the government is out for the best interest of you. And in denial that what's going on needs to stop .
  14. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Yes I’m in Md and it is shut down and has been for 2 weeks now , we went from a few people to hundreds in days , this virus is not fake or BS it is terrible. You can’t see it so you don’t believe it , wait till it hits home , god forbid it happens to your family or friends. You will believe it when it hits home . Like I said do what you want it won’t matter if your Dead . Telling people to fight something that could make things worse is giving them a death sentence.
  15. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Coming from a 23 year old from college PA , your state is in worse shape then most people. Your age group is part of the problem, let’s go party and hang out , you could have it and it has no effect on you but you can give it to hundreds that it can effect and kill , don’t be stupid and think you know it all . Be smart and live to grow old , remember we were all 23 and knew it all at one time . You’ll see , well maybe not if you think this virus is all a hoax’s. Just do me a favor stay away from the elderly so they can stay healthy.
  16. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    The age group that brings age into a discrimination problem is the issue,you are no smarter than me ,just more experienced . The attitude and ideals you hold makes me think that you think we should all live In a glass box ,its not much worse than the regular flu ,you cant believe everything you read on there . You probaly share minions memes on how you hate mondays . Your staying away from the issue that what the government is doing taking away our rights and livelihoods .

    Ps ..
    last time I looked PA still can still have concealed carry maryland cant.we just have a terrible tyrant governor
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  17. buckmasters243

    buckmasters243 Active Member

    The ends to this DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS
  18. Terry Bennett

    Terry Bennett Well-Known Member

    Many associations are organized under the 501c3 rules. There is a fine line under these rules of advocacy vs. lobbying. I can assure you that most organizations have the best intentions to support all of the causes that you support, the problem is they have limited membership, limited funds and therefore they don't have the resources to fight such battles. Most state and national organizations are barely holding on. With the advent of the internet and "free training" the masses have no incentive to join their state association. Taxidermy conventions/competitions never really made any money. Most were lucky if they even broke even. They did/do however provide training and camaraderie as well as information sharing and networking that is not available on the web.

    I would suggest that we all follow Joe's lead and support our state associations. Support the UTA and support the NTA. Support the NRA and any other organization that supports you beliefs. I don't care if it's a taxidermy association or the church down the street. These organizations need our help now more than ever.

    I would also suggest that you do more than just spout off on an internet forum. Call or email your state association or one of the national groups and ask them how you can help. I can guarantee that there is not one association either state or national that won't welcome you with open arms.

    I have been around this industry for long enough to know that there are a lot of egos, and folks who don't get along for one reason or another. That being said let's try to at least treat each other better than kindergartners.
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  19. Ron B

    Ron B Life Sucks.....Then comes the death roll!!!!

    Do you drive.....110 people died today in cars...and yesterday...and tomorrow
    Do you go to the doctor.....they killed 648 people today accidentally and yesterday...and tomorrow....250,000 a year (their numbers not mine)
    Did you feel like this two years ago when 80,000 Americans died in a single flu season. 4000 a week...for 20 weeks (their numbers not mine)
    If you were not or are not concerned by these numbers, just ask your self ...why? Its because you were not told to be scared!

    And the fact is some of us here fear a lose of freedom for generations to be a fate worse than death! So...perhaps what you perceive as "dumb and stupid" is actually a lack of fear of death and an outward concern for the future of our republic! For our childrens and grand childrens future as a free people!

    "Sunshine patriots" are like tits on mules....worthless! Its the "true patriot" that stands for freedom.....even if they might die...or even get the sniffles! If you are that scared...by all means lock yourself in a glass bubble and let the rest of us carry the load for you! We can handle it! You just go to your little safe space now!! My point being...Joe is acting like a true patriot and doesn't deserve to be called dumb and stupid by someone overwhelmed with a fear of death!
  20. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    For one I’m a veteran and did my time and would do it again , there’s a big difference in standing and fighting something you can see and control and something that is a silent killer . There is a big difference in them trying to take things from me and them trying to protect me and others . The problem is no one listens , and again because they don’t see it it’s not there . So the take it as a personal attack. If people would have listened in the first place this thing would be more confined and we would not be in the perdiction were in . It has nothing to do with being scared it has everything to do with being smart and not trying to fight something you can’t see smell or hear till it’s to late . I want to be able to keep playing and hunting with my grandsons . Joe saying not to listen and do what you want cause it’s you right is like saying put this gun to your head and pull the trigger, don’t worry there is only 1 bullet and six chambers so you odds are good you won’t die . I wouldn’t say that’s a patriot I’d say it’s stupid, and anyone will to believe is just as stupid. Like the people that drank the kool aid. So don’t try to feed me this patriot BS .