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Discussion in 'Molding and Casting' started by jigginjim, Apr 17, 2020.

  1. jigginjim

    jigginjim Active Member

    I had never seen the Hiber for casting and mold making. But had seen guys using sand. Which now thinking outside the box, has me wondering. if i saved up all my coffee grounds for a month if that could work? Looking for more info. I tired clay but everything was a brownish mess.
     
  2. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    And what do you think coffee is going to give you.
    It’s hard finding a good replacement for high fiber
     

  3. jigginjim

    jigginjim Active Member

    I was thinking with it dramped it may be easier to flatten out. These used grounds had used a few times to lessen the staining action, but may also come enplace of just straight sand.
     
  4. Kerby Ross

    Kerby Ross KSU - Class of '83; U.S. Army - Infantry (83-92)

    I'm down to 20 some pounds (dry weight) of high fibre that I got from Hill Bros a long time ago. I am going to put it in my Will. :)

    Kerby... highfibre.jpg
     
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  5. fishmaster

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    there is nothing quite like hi fibe. I save and freeze mine after using. I add disinfectant to it to improve the smell and when it gets too bad I spread it out thin on a sheet of plastic and let it bake in the sun for a couple days. The sun will bleach the fish odor out of it. Then you have to wet it back down and give the chunks some time to get it smooth again. I put it in gallon ziplock bags in the freezer in 1/2 thick slabs that stack. That way they thaw quickly when needed
    I'm going to add my stash to my will and gift Jimmy L , Dave C. and John H. in equal shares when I croak.
     
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  6. DFJ

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    Haha, just caught this a bit ago Dono. Good advice.

    I appreciate being on your list. I was fortanute to score 200 lbs. just before they discontinued it and have been hoarding also but same goes to you when I tip over.
    But you'll have to take all the rest of my molds and collections over the years and save my wife the agony of hauling it all off. Lol
    Johno
     
  7. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    All I do is use some bleach water when I’m done. No smells but wear a cape lol white spots but it works great
     
  8. TPT66

    TPT66 New Member

    I wish I had seen hi-fiber before. I see lots of comments about how much it's missed, but never any "very close" replacements.
    What made it so great? I'm convinced there HAS to be a way to recreate something close.
     
  9. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    It's like clay,but clean. Like wet ground paper pulp but like a soft moldable clay that holds together, and the water doesn't drain out.
    I have just enough on hand to mold a few ear cartilages. If I had more I would mess around with molding fish. But since I have so little hi-fiber, I don't even bother because there is really no substitute I've found.
     
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  10. Fallenscale

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    Does any one know what the high fiber is made of? What was the reason that Manufacturing high fiber was ended?
     
  11. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Hold the phone here. Some of you are taking "fiber" WAY beyond the definition. Dietary fiber and industrial fiber is like comparing water with gasoline. Are you guys planning on using Metamucil? Fiber used in molding is strands of poly, fiberglass, or silk in many cases. Cabosil is often used as a filler to reduce weight and to prevent sagging.

    As an aircraft mechanic for over 30 years, one of the very first lessons instilled in us and drummed into us for all that time was "Use the right tool for the job". Ask your mechanic what tools he uses. Guarantee you they didn't come from Harbor Freight. Would you take a cruise in a boat where the builder had used coffee grounds instead of fiber when he built the boat? People who cut corners to "save" money are simply doing shoddy work. If it's that "expensive" to use the right stuff, then you aren't charging enough for your work.
     
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  12. Fallenscale

    Fallenscale Well-Known Member

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    Hold the phone what is it made of.
     
  13. Richs Taxidermy

    Richs Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    George what about cow pies you can get them in different densities
     
  14. DFJ

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    George, hi fiber is the best bedding material.
    Unfortunately it has been discontinued and no longer available. People aren't being cheap, rather looking for a good alternative.
    Hi fiber is like a woman's anatomy, no ones found a good replacement yet. Lol
     
  15. Fallenscale

    Fallenscale Well-Known Member

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    Looks like they offered or what I found was 250, 270 and 290. Which is used or preferred
     
  16. TPT66

    TPT66 New Member

    I'm not sure which (or even IF) one of those is what guys used in the past. I've never held any or worked with any. I've only read about how it was so great along with descriptions of certain properties.
    I've contacted an industrial fiber company, discussed and shared the data sheet, and have a sample of the fiber on its way. It can't hurt to experiment. Seems we do ALOT of that in this business anyway. Lol
     
  17. Fallenscale

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    Sounds good keep us updated
     
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  18. fishmaster

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    Well said DFJ. It has nothing to do with money George. I has to do with availability. With the tort lawsuits involving talc i'm guessing that Hill bros wanted to get ahead of the curve and make a quiet exit from a product that was made largely of talc. If paper pulp is a ford pinto high fiber is a Bugatti. There is that much difference. The only thing better was asbestos back in the day as I remember using it.
    There are lots of other options. Lack of hifibe won't keep anyone from molding fish, they just may not have as nice parting lines and mold shelves. Not the end of the world.
     
  19. jigginjim

    jigginjim Active Member

    That has been the biggest question, I have tried clay, dries up for you can do much plus everything turn into mud. Tried damp fiberfil insulation, but lumpy and not able to make a smooth surface. Used wet sand, but then that sucks if trying to use bondo as a mold.
    I have been trying to think outside the typical box. That's way I came up with an idea of
    super fine ground coffee grounds like a powder form, packs down. but not like Dakota clay.

    Just wondering why was the high fiber molding compound discontinued? Company just folded up? Health issues? Or are the taxidermy suppliers just not willing to come up with something as it may cut into their sales of forms? Just thinking. The next guy to come up with a good compound could be on the track to good money.
     
  20. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    I'm not about to make a comparison of a woman's body as I'm sure some women on here aren't interested in the analogy. Ben Franklin said "All cats are gray after dark." Turn the lights out and all of us look better.

    I'm not sure where one could be without finding a source of cabosil. As for strengthening fibers, fiberglass chop can be found at many suppliers and certainly through catalogs for boat building. I got much of my products from Jamestown Distributors (www.jamestowndistributors.com)