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Need Help Understanding Measurements. I'm Stuck!!

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by TheReelCowboy, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Hello Everyone,

    I shot a nice buck in Ohio last November and because of the laws had to take it to the butcher and the taxidermist there caped it out for me. His method of measuring is different than I have seen and has me questioning what form it will fit on.

    His first measurement with the typical (A, B, C) measurement style was 8''(A) which is fairly large. He then took the (c) measurement on the inside flesh side up right behind the ears and it was 19.5" tight. He did not take a third or (B) measurement.

    When I picked it up It went right into a cooler and then a freezer as soon as I was home. I never had a chance to verify the measurement myself before it was sent to the tannery.

    I have spoken with him and he said that any form with an 8" (A) with a 21.5-22'' (C) would work. What would you suggest for a form brand? I know this is an open-ended question but has anyone had to deal with this before?

    I'm very partial to the Mears form (SUOL-WP21) style which is a Semi-Upright Offset Left Turn Wall Pedestal. Any other forms similar to that you would suggest?
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  2. TripleC

    TripleC Member

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    I am by far an expert. I just listen to the other experts on here as well as picking up things at state association seminars. One thing I have learned is that the pre-tan measurements are just that, pre-tanned. Taxidermists that have plenty of forms on hand have the ability to test tanned hides on multiple sizes that they might have in stock. If you are a hobbyist like me, I don't have a stock pile and probably would take years to use one that I didn't need. I only order one form for the animal I am currently working on. They are way to expensive (shipping) to order one that might be the wrong measurements and then have to either send it back or eat it monetarily all together. The tanned hide may be different measurements than what your were given by the other taxidermists and I would recommend you wait until you get the tanned hide back to re-take the measurements. I would then order based on those new measurements. I recently sat in one of Ben Mears seminars and his forms are exceptional looking. I don't think you could go wrong with one of his, but I would wait and get new measurements. Just my two cents.
     

  3. TripleC- Thank you. They come back frozen so if I thaw it out I need to mount it asap right? I'm not sure how long it will last in a fridge
     
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  4. Fallenscale

    Fallenscale Well-Known Member

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    Wait for the cape to get back measure then back into the freezer. You may want to stretch the cape a little before you measure it. .
     
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  5. qltycapes

    qltycapes Active Member

    You need to rough flesh, split lips nose eyes, turn ears then salt dry, I would suggest you send it to a tannery after that, or there is plenty of advice on here regarding different tanning methods, when you get it back, stretch out measure directly under ears, that will be most companies B measurement, some list it as there C measurement. Mears is good choice. I would go one inch under your B measurement. Good luck!
     
  6. qltycapes. The tannery does all that believe it or not and it comes back tanned all I will have to do is work them out to feather edge and then cut off some extra mouth and nostril skin and thin the nostrils. They come back frozen so if I unfreeze and measure can I refreeze? if not how long before it needs to be mounted if refrigerated?
     
  7. Thanks, I do not have a stretcher. Looks like im building one
     
  8. TripleC

    TripleC Member

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    I would follow exactly what Fallenscale recommended. I left a mule deer hide in a refrigerator (not knowing any better) after measuring it for a little too long in my opinion. Paid for expedited shipping, to try and get the form quickly. I ended up having some slippage that I can only attribute to either the tannery or keeping it in the fridge too long. It ended up being a good learning experience of dealing with different problems, but I will never make that mistake again. Thaw it, relax/stretch it, measure, and back in the freezer until your form comes in. Here are other posts on here that discusses the pre-mounting procedures. I would take a look at those as there is a process to that as well. BTW that is a very nice looking buck, congrats. I hunted in the SE corner of Ohio this year but didn't see any of the big ones I have normally seen the past few years.
     
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  9. Thanks man,

    That was south-central Ohio. 22' outside 20' inside. biggest public land bow buck I've ever shot. And with a bow, the taxidermist measured it at 173 green but I had it remeasured at 164 3/8 the other day. Either way, I'm not entering it into the books or anything so I'm just thrilled to see something like that in the woods. In NY they are few and far between.
     
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  10. qltycapes

    qltycapes Active Member

    If you get it back wet tanned, measure then refreeze until you are ready to mount, you can repeat this cycle, as long as you freeze it. When mounting it can be refrigerated for a couple days, once thawed. Nice buck
     
  11. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    I’m not sure what you guys are doing but I take a raw just skinned measurements and they fit , after tanning should be the same as before sometimes even bigger , say a buck just when thru rut , he was all swollen up and prime , after he is worn down and flabby the skin is going to measure the full rut size and is what I order form wise . 8 inch eye to nose is a big face , that usually converts to a big neck but not alway. I take 3 measurements e/n then at the ears then 3 inches down, if the last measurement is 3 inches bigger then the ear measurement then it’s a rut form . Again I will say it again , a raw measurement will not change after being tanned if you measured it correctly and it’s tanned correctly, you just have to stretch it out , get it done as a wet tan and you won’t have as much of an issue as a dry tan on stretching it out .
     
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  12. Lance.G

    Lance.G Well-Known Member

    Awesome deer! Public land bow hunters dream! If you don’t trust the butchers measurements you should take them post tan, then freeze. Next time take measurements for yourself and do your own caping.
     
  13. Fallenscale

    Fallenscale Well-Known Member

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    Because of the CWD he had to take it to the butcher I believe any way he said because of the law. As alwayed said measure twice cut once in this case measure twice order once. And only 2 measurement were taken not 3.

    I say kudos to TheReelCowboy trying to get it right.
     
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  14. Lance.G

    Lance.G Well-Known Member

    I don’t know of any law saying you can’t cape your own deer out. It’s a transportation law. County and state.
     
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  15. TripleC

    TripleC Member

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    Cowboy best of luck with the mount. A lot of different methods out there, but you can't go wrong with Fallenscale's recommendation. It is the same recommendation I have always been given as well. Measuring after the shaving and tanning of the skin will give you the most accurate results and aid you in picking out the right form.

    Food for thought. I harvested a Nebraska deer that had a long nose that symmetrically wasn't in line with the neck measurements on any forms I could find. I had to pick a form that either fit the eye to nose or the neck measurement. A lot of different methods for this, but if you run into that scenario take a look at altering the form with a change out head. If you run into this give me a shout and I will let you know what I learned doing it the hard way. I looked at Ben's catalog he gave me and he has a semi sneak with an 8" A measurement. (8 x 26 x 23.5). Thats pretty big. Ben also sells a change out head with an 8" eye to nose measurement, so you could order the form that fits your neck measurements and use the change out head to fit your eye to nose measurements. Call Ben and speak with him on his recommendation. He is a great guy and won't lead you in the wrong direction.

    Good luck and again heck of a deer.
     
  16. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    So what some of you are saying is if you carcass’s cast an animal you better make the form smaller because after it’s tanned it will be smaller and won’t fit , we all know that’s BS a hide is what a hide is and dead or alive it will measure the same . That’s how forms are made , off the measurements taken off the dead animal. Cowboy you don’t need a stretcher, just pull and twist a little if tanned correctly you will get it back to size . If you still have , thaw out and measure then flesh , if your sending to tannery to flesh ask them to take measurements for you .
     
  17. I would have but I shot it over 2 miles back from where I was dropped off. By the time I got to truck grabbed the cart then back to the deer then back to truck and then butcher it was after 1130pm. We had to leave at 10am so not much choice. The butcher has his son who does taxidermy cape them out.
     
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    Thank you. its a great feeling when it all comes together
     
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  19. Thanks, Where are you from in NY
     
  20. Thanks Triple C,

    I appreciate the advice. I might get ahold of you and thanks for the offer. I will see what it measures when I get it back and let yall know.
     
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