So here is the problem 13 point. You are not reading the original post nor our replies correctly. #1 He wasn't able to verify the measurements. #2 He was told A - 8" and C 19.5" (tight) and was told to order a form with 8" (A) with a 21.5-22'' (C) #3 It is already at the tannery. #4 Not sure what you are reading, but none of us said smaller. I specifically said a "different" measurement. Of note, this is the same train of thought that the taxidermist that measured it alluded to when he recommended the larger form. You even said in your first post that the hide would be "sometimes even bigger.". #5 If you shave off the inside diameter, the internal circumference increases. In that aspect his hide would probably measure larger than the initial measurements by the taxidermist, hence his recommendation for a larger form. You even alluded to this in your first post. However, this is completely contrary to what you said in your previous post, "we all know that’s BS a hide is what a hide is and dead or alive it will measure the same". You contradicted yourself on this thread. We all have our opinions and methods of doing things. How about this? Offer your advice based on your experience and leave it at that. Don't crap on the comments of others on here trying to help this guy out. If you would actually take the time to read the exact post verbatim and the follow-on comments, they were all sound suggestions. Let Cowboy take it all in and make a decision that's best for him. Honestly, I can probably relate to him a lot better than you. When I order a form I need to ensure it is exact, because I can't turn around and use it on another client's mount (I don't have clients). I learned this the hard way (monetarily) and was trying to help Cowboy not make the same mistake. How many post on here have people complained about shipping costs? Hobbyist can't absorb those cost like a professional taxidermist. I am not a professional taxidermist. I fly helicopters for a living, but I do seek out the best in the industry every chance I get to teach me about a hobby that I have a passion for. Maybe I will give it a try after this military thing is over. After my experience with measurements and form ordering, I have specifically asked everyone about taking measurements and everyone has said to take them after the hides are tanned. I am always absorbing knowledge. It is the ONLY way to ensure you have the exact measurements of a shaved, tanned hide. Even guys doing something for 30+ years can learn something new. The measurements Cowboy was given would make we question their ratio before I would order a form. Not saying they are wrong as the Good Lord makes things as they should be , but I would want to verify them prior to ordering a form. BTW for what it worth, I agree that he doesn't need a stretcher.