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Legality Of Owning Domestic Cat Furs & Skulls

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by Teresa Longale, May 5, 2020.

  1. Teresa Longale

    Teresa Longale New Member

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    Hi all, I do not know much about taxidermy but I hope this is the correct place to post (if not I can move/remove it)! I have searched google for a definitive answer but cannot find one so I hope that this will give me something more clear.
    I have a few questions which I've bolded so hopefully I will be able to get a more clear answer.
    *NOTE: this thread involves questions about the taxidermy of housepets so please be warned.

    I am currently researching an incident involving a woman owning domestic (like a housecat that you would buy at a pet store) cat skulls & furs, and also using domestic cats for taxidermy. I am seeking those who know the laws or are professionals in the area of taxidermy that can help me get some answers.
    I have seen laws on domestic fur trade & such, but my main question here is it even legal to own a domestic cat skin/hide or skull?? The woman says these are her own cats also if that makes any difference, and to my knowledge she has not been finding them as roadkills. She has been alleging that they died naturally & therefore she is taking their skins for taxidermy.
    The woman has also been seen skinning the animals to show them off (as in she has taken the fur off, and left the body of the animal without its skin, and the body of the animal is what she choses to show off not the fur). Is this legal???
    And lastly the part I am most unsure of is the fact that the cats she is doing this to are kittens. Is it legal for this woman to taxidermy kittens? I have seen people preserve still born kittens in jars n such, but I have never heard of anyone having a dead kitten to taxidermy.
     
  2. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    You need to call your local DNR or States attorney, that said I don’t know of any laws that says you can’t preserve any domestic animal after it’s death. If said person was doing something to said animals to kill them so she could mount them , then she is breaking the law . As morbid as it sounds she isn’t breaking the law maybe she is doing this for a teaching or study thing . I have mounted a few pets with no issues on the law side of it
     
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  3. Teresa Longale

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    We suspect she is harming the animals to kill them(she has been posting graphic images of them & teasing people). To our knowledge she is not teaching or studying, she has been buying kittens and later she posts now dead kittens skinned bodies. She also has been making teasing remarks about harming the cats so... I highly doubt this is for a study sadly.

    I'm currently just trying to see if its possible for her to get in trouble for having domestic cat skins & such as I suspect she is in possession of illegal bird feathers & she has already tried to claim that they had natural deaths (which me and many others suspect is a lie).

    Thank you for the information though, I will hopefully get in contact or have someone get in contact about the laws with the DNR or States Attorney then.
     
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  4. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    No, she can not. Look on eBay. Many, many cat .. and dog skulls for sale. It is NOT illegal. If these are her own pets then she can skin and mount them as she likes. Her hobby offends you and that is fine but it is wrong for you to decide to make trouble for her just because you don't like it. There are taxidermists that will take your deceased pet and return it to you either mounted or freeze dried. As long as she isn't selling domestic cat skins, she isn't doing anything wrong. Probably, the teasing remarks about harming them, are because people like you are complaining, bothering and probably threatening her.

    "(which me and many others suspect is a lie)"

    It sounds like there is a collective group of you and your friends that probably should just stop looking at this persons pages if it offends you so much.
     
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  5. tobynitch

    tobynitch New Member

    I don't think this is the best place to ask about this, if the person you're describing is the Omegle crazy_cat_lady_first I suggest going on reddit, there's an entire subreddit dedicated to her and there's plenty of info there.
     
  6. Teresa Longale

    Teresa Longale New Member

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    Hi there, I should have explained the situation more. I myself have nothing against taxidermy, and we have evidence of the woman going and harming animals for the purpose of skinning them. This isn't about if taxidermying a housepet is wrong, its about a woman who is harming and killing cats for fun so she can taxidermy them. I would link the google doc of our information here but I dont know about the rules this forum has against animal cruelty or animal harm.
    I came to here to investigate if there were laws against the woman owning the cat furs & skulls, which it seems there are not unless she is selling them or purposely killing these housecats for their fur (which is what we are trying to research & put an end to. Not taxidermists legally taking their own or others naturally deceased pets for taxidermy).

    We are not hunting this woman because we don't like taxidermy, I want to make that clear. We are trying to put an end to this because there is substantial evidence that she is killing and harming kittens purposely for to take their skins. She has also threatened to kill a person, which is terrifying. I came to the forum to ask about the laws on her owning and trying to sell the skins of these creatures n such.

    But no, taxidermy of animals like housepets does not offend me or any others in this group I know of if the animals are treated properly. But this is an animal abuse incident, where there is evidence of this woman harming the cats purposely to skin them. We aren't a hate group trying to go bash innocent people, this woman has evidence stacking up to her harming these kittens & being a danger to them.
    If someone has a kitten that has already passed, I do not care what they do with them. I only care if they are harming the cat to kill them.

    If I am able to post the doc I will gladly link it here. I hope this helped, we really do not mean harm to those who legally are taxidermying pets. I am investigating the laws on if owning cats furs & skulls are legal in case she tries to slip in between the cracks & get away with this abuse.
    Hope that clears it up but thank you for your concern & I can see where you're coming from.
     
  7. Teresa Longale

    Teresa Longale New Member

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    Yes this is her. We have closed the reddit group though because of the amount of false information flying around. I came here because I was curious on the laws regarding ownership of cat skulls/furs. It seems the point has started to shift from that, which i accept responsibility for but originally I came here looking for info on the laws about ownership of domestic cat taxidermy items. Hope this helps to clear it up thank you.
     
  8. tobynitch

    tobynitch New Member

    Ok so from what I know it's perfectly legal to own domestic cat taxidermy items and it's legal to mount deceased pets/domestic animals. It's illegal to sell dog and cat fur, but it's legal to own it. Basically she's not breaking any laws except obvious animal abuse
     
  9. Sea Wolf

    Sea Wolf Well-Known Member

    I think burden of proof would be to prove that the animals suffered an inhumane death. There are plenty of breeders of domestic cats and dogs that have freezers with ones that didn't make it. I have seen the occasional unique kitten for sale as a taxidermy specimen. Some of these even have come from shelters after they have been euthanized. If they belong to her, and she has humanely put them down, I doubt there is anything you can do regardless of how gruesome the aftermath is to you. Her choice of subject is in very poor taste but it isn't illegal. A member on here takes baby chicks, turtles and, I think in the past, even kittens and has made faux 2 headed sideshow mounts from them. Not illegal and they were even well done.

    To be honest, the cat lady seems to despise those who call themselves furries. She has found a willing audience to torment and all of them are biting like starved fish. The whole pack of them are screaming and making threats. As long as they all keep giving her a reaction, I'm sure she will continue making a game of tormenting them. The ones that are crying about it are the ones that are encouraging it to continue. Cat lady is an attention seeker and she's getting plenty. By the way, any of the videos that I saw, none showed any animal being killed or tortured. Skinning a dead cat is not torture, neither is eating a cat. In some cultures, it's normal.
     
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  10. Teresa Longale

    Teresa Longale New Member

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    Alrighty, thank you! I saw the laws on fur trade and was slightly confused on that but thank you for clarifying.
     
  11. Teresa Longale

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    Mm, this is a good point. It is pointing towards her physically abusing the animals, but indeed yes she may not be accused of doing any illegal actions if they were humanely euthanized. I'm not very against the humane euthanization thing, its mainly just her hurting the animals and abusing them.
    It is very nice to know that people respect the animals when they taxidermy them, and that it was legal.

    This is the truth sadly. I have seen those who will simply make a threat and then move on without trying to do an action to have her stop if she is harming the animals... our group is doing its best to get legal action against her for the abuse of the animals so she will stop getting this attention. It is very sad to see she is exploiting this fame in this way, but yes I can see where you are coming from. I'm doing my best to not interact with her and instead work on trying to find a way for her to stop pro-actively as well as get justice if she is indeed harming these animals.
    Thank you for all of the advice though, its been very helpful.
     
  12. Teresa Longale

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    I also just saw the edit you added to the bottom, and I don't think you have seen this document (the google doc).
    If i need to remove this please let me know
    WARNING: possible animal abuse
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/...TBnPZT6O5Ep_OT9KpAsW_z5-Uv5NTf9VcDAC4kqrAO9Nc

    She says directly in there "I KILL WHEN EVER I WANT AND WHO EVER I WANT SO YOU WATCH WHERE YOU WALK" & then there is a photo of her with a cat that looks very similar to another that was being strangled on camera by an account on tiktok that we highly believe belongs to them. We are not sure when she skins them & such but there is evidence to show her choking them or purposely hurting them, and then she will later post a dead cat.

    I truly hope this is all somehow some huge misunderstanding and that she actually isn't abusing them but... the evidence seems to point to it.