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Using The Cast Lip System

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by pir^2h, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Looking for opinions from those who have used the cast lip system from McKenzie. Good, bad or ugly? They have a video but are there any others out there that anyone else knows of?
     
  2. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    I used them and for the bear, didn't really care for the detail. Headquarters bear head with their jaw cup is much, much better. The coyote cast lips that I used seemed good.
     
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  3. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Thanks for that report Tanglewood! I was looking at a Brian Hendricks bobcat with an open mouth that uses the cast lip. However, I know nothing about it really.
     
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  4. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    You are welcome.

    Cast lip or cast face? I have used his cast face bobcat and was pleased with the end product. It is beneficial to know how to mount a bobcat conventionally first, but having no experience with bobcats will still get you an ok mount. I had done several conventionally before I used his and it helped a lot in achieving a much better than ok mount.
     
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  5. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    I’ve used them and it’s like anything else , if done correctly they look good .
     
  6. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    I don't use super glue on them, but use epoxy. You still need to babysit to keep the seam as tiny as possible.
     
  7. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    I use super glue gel , don’t like epoxy cause of the heat it kicks out when it kicks off , main thing is to keep all your lip lines equal at all points
     
  8. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    I use really slow set epoxy, so heat isn't an issue, but I could see where it might be with fast set epoxy.
     
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  9. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    What is a good slow set epoxy? Thanks.
     
  10. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    In the McKenzie catalog it says "Easy set" Cast Lip (Page 377 of the 2020-2021 catalog). I don't know how to use it so I am also looking for a video. I tried to look Brian up on here but the search doesn't seem to let you look up members like we used to be able to do, or I am doing something wrong.
     
  11. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    When you buy it , they send you a paper with it on how to use . Very simple
     
  12. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Yes, I remember using one before. A long time ago. Pretty simple process.

    You can also access the instructions on their website under product instructions. It's down by the big red HOW TO button. If I remember correctly, I bought the video of Mike Gillis installing the system from McKenzie. It's pretty straight forward. I used it on a howling coyote.
     
  13. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Vm11DP is the video that they sell on how to use them.
     
  14. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    We use Magic-Smooth. There is nothing exceptional about it for this particular task, it's just what we purchase and use for a variety of things.
     
  15. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Thanks guys, I will look into it.

    Vic
     
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  16. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    I went to the source and called McKenzie. Mike called me back and answered my questions. He made the video so what better person to call?!
     
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  17. Museum Man

    Museum Man Well-Known Member

    i actually use the original lips and nose and super glue them around the cast lips. I like the detail in the teeth and tongue but just do not like trimming off the lips and nose. I sand down the cast lips and clay over the nose. It takes very little time to do and is very easy to finish up after. I like the form with the mouth installed and this is just the way i do it. Not saying everyone should also. shane lion 6.PNG
     
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  18. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    I do something similar. I also use the real nose skin on top of the cast nose. This way you don't have to deal with the seam around the nose.
     
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  19. pir^2h

    pir^2h Retrievers give you the bird

    Mighty fine looking mount there Museum Man. Well, I am just a hobbyist and even though I have been trying to do taxidermy for over a half century I'm nowhere near being a master at the art. I do like trying different things, after all, how else do you learn if all you do is the same old thing. Your method sounds great but beyond what I feel comfortable with right now. If I do continue to use the cast lip I will expand. Right now, just experimentation.

    Vic
     
  20. Museum Man

    Museum Man Well-Known Member

    i just always wonder how gluing around the lips will hold up over the years .