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Neutralizing

Discussion in 'Tanning' started by DOUG H, Mar 2, 2021.

  1. DOUG H

    DOUG H Member

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    Is it possible to over neutrize and what will happen
     
  2. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    If you go back thru my post you will find a huge discussion on this subject, if you are home tanning , you really don’t need to neutralize your capes . I use pro 1 safety acid now and use to use Formica acid and haven’t neutralized for over 25 years . But to answer your question, yes you can , you will get a loose cape and possible slippage
     

  3. DOUG H

    DOUG H Member

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    Thank you I been getting some slippage after pickle and tanning
     
  4. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Ok flesh pickle and thin , then put back in pickle for couple 3 days . After that take out of pickle, squeeze excess pickle out , now put tanning cream on roll up for 6 hours minimal at this time you can bag and freeze or shampoo/wash rinse and squeeze water out , I roll up in towel for a bit then mount it . Don’t neutralize capes at all . But if your done with pickle neutralize that and pour out . Hope that helps ya
     
  5. DOUG H

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    Yes got it been doing all that but was soaking to neutralize before brush on tan
     
  6. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    Yes you can and it will depend on your tan your using as it won’t properly tan through in a given time and not neutralizing can cause acid damage but once mounted you’ll never know or see it.
    There are certain tans that are considered acid tans that like acid to throughly tan a cape and others that need more neutralizing for their tan to work.
    Now not neutralizing doesn’t mean it won’t tan but you get what’s called a surface tan and it’s not totally tanned right through. The issue here is to know if it tanned through or not is under a microscope. Words I headed from my mentor Bruce Rittel
    Now on a sense over doing it can cause hair slippage due to a high pH .
    Whatever you choose to do always follow directions for that tan or product you’re using. These days there are so many different static and rub on tans to list with the rules on them.
     
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  7. DOUG H

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    Thanks frank would be a great conversation with Bruce!
     
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  8. cyclone

    cyclone Posts: 400001

    What chemicals are you using and how long are you soaking?
     
  9. DOUG H

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    Safety pickle and neutralizing for 15 minutes then brush on tan ,McKenzie or pro one
     
  10. drob

    drob Active Member

    I never tanned without neutralizing so I can't speak to that,but with that being said- be sure to remove salt from hide or you will have sweating issues.
     
  11. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    Ok your slippage happened way before the pickle or tan but the tanning through doesn’t cause slippage but the chemical change it goes through may bring out the prior issues. The issues were generally there even while in the pickle but because we’re not working on the cape per say we don’t see it.
    Plus epidermal slippage is also cause by a skin after tanning that’s to wet. It swells up the epidermal and you’ll have this.
    As for your tanning chemicals Pro1 is fine but I’m not a fan of the McKenzie tan. Now I haven’t used it but my clients have bought hides that was tanned and I found no stretch, felt more like a pickled skin ( yes it’s tanned) but just no a normal rub on tan feel or workability compared to other tans. I feel their are way better rub on tans out there JMO
     
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