1. Welcome to Taxidermy.net, Guest!
    We have put together a brief tutorial to help you with the site, click here to access it.

Scoring?

Discussion in 'Deer and Gameheads' started by e101011, Nov 5, 2021.

  1. e101011

    e101011 Active Member

    113
    72
    earth
    Can anyone explain (and by that I mean “dumb down”) antler scoring for me? I’ve read a couple of how-to articles online but I seem tp lose the plot somewhere and end up with some out-of-whack numbers... I’m fairly mathematically-inclined, so I think I might just be misunderstanding the actual antler terminology, and I’m not grasping the gross vs. net concept.
    Also, I can only find references online pertaining to whitetails. Are other cervids scored differently? In particular I’d like to know about moose, muntjac, roe deer, water deer, Pére David’s deer, axis deer, elk, fallow deer, and mule deer.
    Lastly, is there similar methods used for mammals with horns, such as sheep, goats, antelopes and bovids?
     
  2. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    Check into Safaris Club scoring. They have a system and a record book for all species you mention. Antler scoring is simply measuring per instructions and tabulating the mount results. Boone & and Crocket system deducts differences in point length between corresponding tines, hence, gross vs net. Buckmasters does not use inside spread in the official score, hence Official vs composite score. I’ve been both a Safari Club and Buckmasters scorer for years. It’s all fun until you get one in like this! 64C7CF3C-4D4E-41F4-A672-9760CB11B11E.jpeg
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2021
    jessewild and e101011 like this.

  3. e101011

    e101011 Active Member

    113
    72
    earth
    Thanks, I’ll look into those. That one there looks more like trigonometry than some simple addition!
     
  4. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    It’s basically every inch of antlers measured out in 1/8s . So you have the length of both main beams , then the length of each point coming off main beam and then you have the circumference of each main beam measured in only 4 places on both sides. All that gets totaled up to become a total number from inches to point. Some books count the inside spread of main beams and some don’t .
     
  5. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    See if you can get your hands on a copy of

    "How to Measure and Score Big-Game Tropies: The Official Scoring Method Used by Boone and Crockett Club, Pope and Young Club"

    It covers all the species you are looking at.
     
    George likes this.
  6. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member


    Kieth is right.
    I purchased this book and I am never more than 3 inches off from the official score. I would not attempt to score customers antlers without it. You owe it to them to be as accurate as possible.
     
  7. e101011

    e101011 Active Member

    113
    72
    earth
    Absolutely agree, but I have no responsibility to customers for accuracy; would definitely like to be accurate but just for myself
    That said, I got a good laugh out of that one! I’m a funeral director, actually, but the thought of scoring my customers is hilarious! :)
    If one shows up in the prep room with antlers it might be time to retire, or at least have a conversation with the casket company about some alternate shapes and sizes.
    My goal in accurate scoring is just because I’m pretty meticulous in measuring and grading my skull collection; the official scoring system would add another dimension to that.
     
    Tanglewood Taxidermy likes this.
  8. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    I've been to the funeral of a few of my customers and been surprised to see fish or antlers incorporated into the spray on their coffin. Maybe I'll tell my kids to place my measuring cable, calipers, and folding tape on top of mine...I sure won't care!!!
     
  9. e101011

    e101011 Active Member

    113
    72
    earth
    Did one a few years ago, back when I worked in rural Pennsylvania, that was like that. Lots of exotic hides and shoulder mounts on display, and definitely recall there being antlers and turkey feathers in the spray. Unfortunately I didn’t appreciate it at the time as I would now.
     
  10. e101011

    e101011 Active Member

    113
    72
    earth
    Pretty sure I’ve got it. Not mastered it, but got it.
    Boone & Crockett has an online calculator, which I used for an elk. Came up with a 346.
    Unfortunately, the drop-down only has formulas for domestics. Going to measure out my whitetail and mule deers tomorrow. Axis deer, probably the same formula but not sure how do a fallow deer, or any antelopes. Species without horns or antlers seem like a simple length+width, but not sure if that’d include primates where height is the largest dimension.
     
  11. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    Simply go online to the "Boone&Crocket scoring sheet". Make a copy of BOTH sides. It can't get any simpler as each individual measurement has an alphanumeric identifier and explanation.
     
  12. Richard C

    Richard C Well-Known Member

    2,364
    1,322
    Ditto
     
  13. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    I'm not a Boone & Crockett Fan. Their scoring system is like taking a photo of Sophia Loren home to your wife, and showing her all the things she needs to change to be like Sophia Loren...let's see how that affects one's love life! Every set of antlers is different. Buckmaster's motto is "If they grow it, we score it" There are no deductions. We are not interested in comparing every rack to a perfect rack. The Official Score does not include an inside spread, because "air" is not part of mass. The Composite score does include inside spread.
     
    tem likes this.
  14. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    SCI.
     
    tem and joeym like this.
  15. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    I never liked the deduction part of B&C. It made no sense. You are literally un-scoring your set of antlers with deductions. I also never liked the spread measurements that counted onto the score. Buckmasters meathod is good way to do it, but not really significant compared to Pope and Young and B&C.
     
  16. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    I always wondered why their aren't additions, rather than deductions, if attempting to make one measurement equal to a corresponding measurement!
     
    tem likes this.
  17. FishArt

    FishArt Well-Known Member

    I like B&C. As far as I'm concerned it's the ONLY scoring system that matters AND paints the most accurate picture because it requires the most information. You can look at the score sheet if you want before deductions/total inches. And to not include the spread (like Buckmasters? or Sierra?) to me makes little sense if any. Again, B&C paints the most accurate picture without photos. And I instantly know what those numbers mean before and after deductions. And it's easy to set your bar whether it be 150, 160, 170 and know roughly where you stand statistically when you pull that trigger. And communicating with others. Now, when somebody quotes numbers one has to ask if it's B&C scoring because the others have muddied up a perfectly fine system of scoring. PS Joey, you should incorporate your business cards permanently into your mounts for advertising at funerals - ha!
     
    joeym likes this.
  18. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    Net's are for fishing, not for scoring's.
     
    Lance.G likes this.
  19. George

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    I'm sorry guys but I'm a lifetime SCI and Buckmaster member. Of all three systems, Buckhalter is the hokiest. You can preach their mantra all you want but their score is seldom higher than B&C anyway. Ask any hunter you see which book they'd be more impressed to see their name. I've seen guys tell others their BTR score only to be asked what it REALLY scores. B&C has been there since TR and it's based on a perfectly symmetrical deer. If your deer isn't perfect, then it may qualify as "non-typical". As far as their snide remark on "air measurement", the second thing a hunter is likely to be asked is. "What's the spread"? Many BTR bucks won't make B&C but every B&C buck will likely make BTR.
     
    ARUsher, tem and FishArt like this.