We can't forget to mention Mike Orthober in this discussion, as he has probably forgotten more than most of us know. Randy Desarmou was another inspirational fish guy. Both were responsible for moving me way ahead in my fish work. Neither held back when giving seminars, I only wish Dale Cornetet had been a little more generous with his knowledge. His work on steelhead and king salmon was outstanding. The only work I ever took pictures of for reference, lol.