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My 3rd And 4th Fish Mounts

Discussion in 'Fish Taxidermy' started by Clovis Point, Apr 15, 2022.

  1. Clovis Point

    Clovis Point Active Member

    I'm getting better.... wish I had more commercial demand to justify investing more energy in to fish because I really like doing fish. I did use charcoal and gold aerosol glitter on these, but my goal for my next fish is more mixed media beyond airbrush (metallic powders and pan pastels) and hand tipping scales. bass.jpg

    This is "the same fish"... A friend/customer brought it to me and I told them I would do a repro... When I was ordering the blank from Lake Country I decided to get head/fins/gills and pick up a commercial form and try the hybridized skin/repro mount (fish one was a skin mount bass, fish 2 was a musky repro). After the proof of concept I have decided to offer the choice of hybrid or repro (for a little more $$) to any future customers.
     
  2. Mudbat

    Mudbat Well-Known Member

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    Green can be a dangerous color. It will look the way you want then you gloss it it will be GRRRREEEEENNNN.
    Get into doing skin mounts. With the ever increasing cost of blanks of your buying all you supplies unless your over 30 per inch your not making really any money. Skinmounts are going to come back into popularity I think. Learning to set up a anatomical pleasing skinmount will also help set up a replica.
     
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  3. 1fish2fish

    1fish2fish Well-Known Member

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    Time vs money.

    I thought you were only doing Dave Campbell replicas from now on.

    Probably the biggest strikes against replicas is limited availability and giving up control to whomever moulded/casted the fish (In some cases, such as Dave Campbell replicas, that might be beneficial).
     
  4. Mudbat

    Mudbat Well-Known Member

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    I don’t do commercial fish work any longer. Not quite sure what your referring to.
     
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  5. 1fish2fish

    1fish2fish Well-Known Member

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    I guess that was it. I was remembering this thread
    https://www.taxidermy.net/threads/439004/

    I misrecollected that you were only using Dave's blanks.

    I guess what it was is:

    "Steelhead is all I will offer any longer and on a extremelylimited basis to those who want to pay for my time."

    And also,

    "I loose my ass on many pieces specially skinmounts making sure things are where they are supposed to be. With any fish as you know there is zero for sure on final price. Things go wrong. Soon as they do you start loosing money. Sometimes you end up basically paying them to do the fish in the end."

    "Also the only steelhead you can get away not doing scale work by hand and have it come out decent in my opinion are boot steelhead. Otherwise your stuck painting scales to get a good result."

    that, and I guess you use a lot of Dave's blanks. lol.

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    Anyway, for OP, if you are going to do skin mounts or skins w/ cast heads, pay attention to the head angle. Your first mount would be improved with the head at a more upwards tilt. You'll want to fit everything up prior to actual construction. Tipping / scale painting will break up the color and give a more appealing and natural look. I have seen LMB as green as yours, so that's ok if your reference shows it, but a lack of color variation makes it a bit more blocky and unnatural seeming, which maybe presents as too green. Of course there's more that could be said, if we had your specific reference to comment on. I'll finish with I'm not a big champion of powders as a magic bullet. Frankly I think they can be expensive and fussy, although I've seen great work achieved with them. It's something you'll have to figure out, but I wouldn't necessarily go all in on expensive sets until you try some. If you keep at it, you can learn quickly what you get good results with or not. Best of luck with your future fish work, I think you'll have a lot of fun progressing.
     
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  6. Mudbat

    Mudbat Well-Known Member

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    I’ve used 4 of Dave’s blanks in the past. Shapes are very pleasing on them for sure.
     
  7. Clew

    Clew Help a child, Build our future

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    I like that you are enthusiastic about doing fish
    Your bass are tooooooo green
    Can they come that way, yes but rare
    About the only green I use is bass dark green and very light
    Play with powders and pastels they are forgiving and make beautiful paint schemes
    Don’t look just in taxi catalogs
    Search online for the powders, I probably have 50 differnt colors and finding really cool ones every time I look
    Pigments, powders, makeup, pastels, paints, alcohol pens, even cigar ashes.
    Don’t let yourself be held back by other opinions, try it you might like it, Mikey did. LOL
    My last color on allot of my fish eyes are cigar ashes, makes competition quality eyes.
    I will admit your fourth fish looks a heck of allot better than mine in 74
    A dear friend rick told me one day at big rock show
    If I needed mud to obtain the look I need I’ll use it
    That stuck with me,
     
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  8. 1fish2fish

    1fish2fish Well-Known Member

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    I guess those ones stuck in my mind most, probably from that post. My experience with his blanks, although limited, is that they're the bomb.

    Also, as you've stated, you're putting the work into getting a streamlined and pleasing look to all your mounts, like the nice fin work you did recently on Tyler's salmon blank. Which probably wasn't necessary for most clientele, but did improve the mount.
     
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  9. Clovis Point

    Clovis Point Active Member

    Yeah, determining how I was going to mate up the rigid head to the foam form (which werent designed to work together, like complete repros) was a bit of a challenge, on that bass I actually ended up countersinking a long screw, putting 2 part epoxy in the head cup, screwing the screw into the foam, and then sculpting over the screw head (inspired by the technique for locking down a loose deer antler) I have since became a bit more enlightened and my recent musky I set a rod from the backside of the head.
    I saw in a Matuska video square rods that have brass sleeves, but I cant find that they sell them anymore... Anyone know where I can get them?


     
  10. Clovis Point

    Clovis Point Active Member

    In regards to coloration, in preparation for this musky I have been gathering some additional medias and supplies, I feel like I have done a good job of getting a nice sampling without tieing up a boatload of money, thus far I have ordered :

    A bottle of candy Kranes gray (to add to my existing stock of 20 or so airbrush colors)

    New Pan Pastels
    Yellow ochre extra dark
    chrome ox green shade
    perm green shade
    (in addition to the five piece mammal kit plus a fleshy tone and a lighter tan I already had)

    Green-Yellow Pearlex powder

    bright gold liquitex

    and a 4 pack of metallic mica pigments with 2 golds, silver, bronze that was only $10 on amazon
     
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  11. 1fish2fish

    1fish2fish Well-Known Member

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    K&S Precision Metals makes telescoping brass rod, hobby stores often carry them.

    I've driven a heavy duty screw or nail lengthwise and foamed/ epoxied / urethaned the head. Pros and cons, but works fine. Pick the materials for the situation and what you need to achieve.
     
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  12. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    Here is a typical commercial fish from me. I use 5 different paints. Bass Belly White, Chrome pearlescent over the white, Medium Bass Green, Gill Red, and Black. It's a simple paint job that I can complete in a jiffy, painting 5-10 fish at a time.

    _FishBass.jpg
     
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  13. Clovis Point

    Clovis Point Active Member

    Joey you got it figured out my man. You care about providing your customers with a high quality piece, but always find a way to deliver it in a way that's still accessible to down home honest working folks. That's the way my mentor RB Griffin (and his dad before before his retirement) in Morgantown KY (both formerly Ft Meyers FL) does it, and that is the way I am trying to do it. Finding the balance and that sweet spot thats not "cheap" and "throwing money at it" because skill goes further than materials and with skill you can give your customer a quality mount without having to spend a fortune on all the latest this-and-thats.