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[resolved] Help With Deer?

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by Crepuscular Creature, Sep 21, 2022.

  1. Hello again, I'm incredibly frustrated by the deer I'm working on and would like some guidance/help.

    I had the ear liners and eyes all set and sculpted in and started to work on putting the pelt on. The pelt smeared and messed up some of the eye clay, and then I'm completely unsure how to do the ear liners.

    I took one ear liner off to slide into the ear before securing it to the mannequin to see if that might be easier, but it just caused me more confusion.

    If you know of any good tutorials or can give me advice/tips for doing deer ear liners, please let me know.

    Here are a few pictures I had taken before everything got a bit messed up.[​IMG] [​IMG]images shown so you know what you're working with :)

    ((I kind of got screwed with the eyes, as they were the only ones I can get and they have a rounded back instead of a flat back))
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2022
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  2. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Eyes are way out to far , clay work is wrong . I’m mentoring a few others on here , call me 410-977-1856 , Glen , I just posted a few pic under game heads you can ck out if u like . To see my work
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2022

  3. Jean M

    Jean M Well-Known Member

    I'd take 13 points offer. His work is very good and a few minutes speaking to an expert is far more than I could offer you!
    But I'd agree, pop those eyes out and get him fixed up.

    Also check out Art of taxidermy videos by Ben khorshidnam. Very good work.

    He's got tons of different videos. Some are real time, some time lapsed but still valuable.

    I'm pretty sure he has some on ear liners and clay ear butts.
    I think they can help you along.

    As I got started I bought 3 different deer videos: Ben Mears, Joe Meder and Rick Carter.

    All were very good and worth while watching. I think the Mears and Carter were somewhat easier for a beginner to follow.
    The Mears video covered bondo ears rather than liners, but the clay ear butts are basically the same either way.

    I think the Carter videos also covered the caping, fleshing and tanning.

    As a side bar, in my limited experience, that sharp turn can be a challenge in fitting the hide. A while back I did a wall ped. with bit less curve and fought a bit with it.

    Keep at it! Your questions can help us all learn.
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  4. Would there be a "safe"/minimal damage way to remove the circular backing of the eyes? With my previous mount (a fox) I used flat back eyes, which are personally easier to work with, though I didn't have any choice on the backing for these eyes.
  5. Jean M

    Jean M Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing the back of the eyes you have are made deeper to create that reflective look.
    The form is made to accept a flat backed eye(or hollow back)
    If the back of the eye itself protrudes, just dig out the foam with a knife or other tool, and seat the eye into clay at the depth you need.
  6. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    You basically said that you where about to mount that deer and messed the clay work up . That form is so far away from ready to mount on it’s not funny . It needs to be prepped, sanded , lip line cut out nose detailed . Ears liners need to be prepped and installed into ears . Not busting just letting you know you are way off from being able to mount it from what I can see . Call me tomorrow if you like I’ll be glad to help , but to much typing to cover it all . Sorry
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2022
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  7. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Rick Carter's mounting a white tailed deer A-Z DVD from McKenzie. Please do not say you can't afford it or don't want to purchase it. The investment is well worth it.
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  8. Brianjax

    Brianjax Member

    Tanglewood is right I spent a lot of money on other more expensive DVD’s and Rick Carter’s is really geared for the beginner and very informative on everything like hair patterns which is very important.
  9. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    When I first started, I bought mounting a black tailed deer by Bob Ezner from Research mannikins. That was on VHS and burned up when my shop burned down. I then bought mounting a mule deer DVD by Manny Cheves from Taxidermy Training Unlimited, as well as mounting a white tailed deer DVD by Jody Greene. I kept hearing about Rick's DVD and finally bought it. It is the best of the bunch, though, Manny's has some really good info on long cut capes and peculiarities of mule deer. Get the manual msetak suggested and especially Rick's video before you continue with your project.
    It would be foolish for you not to.
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  10. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

    I've never seen any body put earliners on a form first. It does not even make common sense.
    You are totally clueless as to what you are attempting to do.
    It seems as though you are trying to achieve a goal with out first pre-pairing or studying at all . You are trying to take a shorter route. "Come on man..."

    I ussually encourage new and begining Taxidermist. But after reading some of your previous post. I don't think you're cut out for it. I really don't.
    It takes a certain amount of art skill that should come naturally to you.

    If you still want to do art. Perhaps try abstract painting. Take a gallon of paint tie it to a string so it hangs above a blank canvas. Drill some holes in it, then give it a spin. Do this with several colors of paint. Then you will have a masterpiece!

    BTW Those eyes would look okay on a Pronghorn Antelope.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2022
  11. 13 point

    13 point Well-Known Member

    Dude she is an 18 year old girl just trying, give her a break . It’s why she is asking questions
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  12. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

    If you have read some of my former post. I have always been helpful.
    I really don't think she has what it takes. I AM BEING HELPFULL to her by saying that.
    Do you really think every body that tries Taxidermy should stick with it ? No.
    Young people try all sorts of things. .

    BTW How many of you started at 14 or 15 like I did?

    I'm serious she should try painting. click here. I tried Fluid Art Flying Bucket on String - YouTube
  13. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

  14. Tanglewood Taxidermy

    Tanglewood Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    Purchase the video and practice what it teaches you to do and you will do fine. We all started out with less than stellar work and through practice got better. You will get better with study and practice. You have plenty of time.
  15. msestak

    msestak Well-Known Member

    so you're no longer doing taxidermy and getting ready to make a fortune doing this too ?
  16. joeym

    joeym Old Murphey

    She is in the right place to ask questions. In a few years she could be doing phenomenal taxidermy. We all started dumb as stumps.
  17. Bruledrift

    Bruledrift Active Member

    There are some great people on here who will help you. Yes, as stated above you need to learn to prep the form first, lips, nose, eye's, scratched up for hide paste, etc. One tip for protecting clay work on eyes is to cover them with a u shaped piece of metal that is pinned to the form (If that makes sense at all?). You can clay the ears in first then use fireline or something like to cut the ear and butts off the form. When you are ready for them, paste in and reattach to the form. If time is an issue, freeze them so the clay is still tacky when thawed.
  18. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

    To the OP.
    I actually was not getting on you about the eyes. I thought you were trying to get the ears on the ear liners that were already on the form. LOL Thats what threw me.

    I was simply making more suggestions. You obviously want to create art. Taxidermy is great.
    How ever their are other art deco that you can do that is alot easier and cheaper. Their may also be more of a demand for it. See the pics I posted. I've seen these in Botiques for $1200-$1500. It's clean compared to a cow, LOL or a deer.
    Good Luck on what ever endeavour you choose.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2022
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  19. ARUsher

    ARUsher Well-Known Member

    Those are the reflective eyes from Matuska. That's why they are sticking out so far. You can't really make them flat on the back without ruining the eyes. To make those work, you will need to remove foam from the eye socket on the form, put some clay and then set your eyes deeper into the mannikin. I admire your desire, however, I do believe you have set yourself up with a pretty difficult project for being your first deer. Take Glen up on his offer, he will be able to help you. If this is something you really want to do, don't get too discouraged. It is likely that it will not come out as well as you are expecting but you are in the right place to ask questions and learn. Each one you do should get better and easier.