Photographic reference is a necessity if you're trying to obtain a realistic end-product. The following site has been referenced numerous times on several fish carver sites, but I don't know if it ever made it to this forum: http://www.wiscfish.org/fishid/ This "WI Fish Identification Database" site should be bookmarked by everyone interested in fish reference because it includes a variety of morphological photographs (caudal, pectoral, pelvic, dorsal, and anal fins, dorsal, lateral, and ventral views, etc.) of most every fish species known to exist in Wisconsin waters. And not only morphology, but variation in color and color patterns is obvious throughout the photos, as well. The quickest way to get to all the photos of one species is 1) to choose the species from the alphabetical list (by common or scientific name) and 2) scroll down to the bottom of the species page and choose "view all images". You will find a list of generally 20-30 photos of that particular species. IMO: I think the new format for the Tax.Net Forum will be very beneficial to all users. I've always been told "A picture (photo?) is worth a thousand words"