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Remember that coyote on ebay that looked like a dog? Look...

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by Bill Yox, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Guys, you gotta understand something first off. I didnt take the animal, and Im not really involved one way or the other, Im just throwing it up for a debate. Im also, therefore, not offended by the outcome, so its ok no matter what we all say. But just showing pics of a dog thats being bred to look like its wild counterparts is not proof enough to me. In fairness, looking at a dead one, or a mounted one isnt, either. If I walked up to that animal in a trap, I myself would know. Its ok to ask Bob Wendt, but here in the east we see so many color phases and markings/patterns you wont see in the midwest/west where Bob so successfully traps. My earlier statement was that if its simply a coydog, a one time only cross breed, then why are there other animals so closely the same? Its either a coyote or a dog, not an inbetween, in my opinion. Usually you can just "tell" if its wild, or domestic, by the smell, the manner, its just "there" I guess.

    BTW...Andy, you can kid with me, that I dont mind, Id just say be careful of trash talking, like Michael does, lol. As for the lovely Nature Goddess, Im sure SHE knew, as should you guys, that I was simply having fun, as well as a little compliment, to a cute girl...also half my age, married, and across the country from me! LOL. I think she was kidding about the shed antlers too, by the way. Wink.
     
  2. Bill, let me first start by saying I understand the position you hold with this post, its just what it is. A discussion to try and figure out what this animal is. Ii found that picture by doing a search for Wolf dogs or Wolf Hybrid. Look at the 2 side by side and the markings are identical. Look up breeders for these type of "Wolves" or "Dogs" and they are everywhere. Some of them turn out to be good pets others are not. Suppose "one" or "two" were set loose by owners who couldnt handle them anymore, maybe they found themselves in front of a hunters gun or caught in trappers set. Why couldnt it be a hybrid? I think it is. Do you know the location where both of these animals came from? Same state or many states apart?
     

  3. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Well, I think the one advertised in ebay we saw here last week was Virginia, and that mount, I think, is from here in NY state where I am. Your explanation does make sense though. I guess that could make it a feral dog, yikes!
     
  4. It would be interesting to find out if it is legal in those states to own such an animal. I know it is illegal in CT.
     
  5. Huntress

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    I guess my question would be 'what is everyone's definition of a coy-dog'? Some might say that it's 50% coyote and 50% domestic dog. My definition is any coyote with some domestic dog genes. Maybe this critter's great-great-granddad was a dog and the 'odd color' genes are just showing up now.

    I do believe it's at least part coyote....the red color and black stripe on the front legs say coyote to me.
     
  6. zachhanel

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    the only problem with that is that those are also dog markings and i don't think this argument would ever be solved even if we did hear how, where, ect on where this animal came from the other thing is it just resembles a husky so closely and the thing with that is huskies are one of the more independent and free minded dogs around, there hard to train and if they feel like it they'll run for miles and then just show up again, i know its happened with mine, hes gotten out and i picked him up at a farm two and a half miles away and he'd only been out for an hour or so, what if he'd came past a snare line without a collar somebody may say yote and he'd be in somebodys den collecting dust, to prove my point here is a picture of the dog in my house
     
  7. Wolfwoman

    Wolfwoman $90 for your fur made into trapper hat or mitts!

    What about the 100s of dogs here in Alaska that are NOT part yote that look EXACTLY like that. They are Alaskan Huskies and I'm sure they don't just live in Alaska! So this may or may not be a dog... don't look too close at these pics, one might be a yote!

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    Huntress, LOTS of our pups up here have the red stripe, what I think is happening is someone see a nice looking loose animal and WANTS it to be a yote so it can be a stunning mount.
     
  8. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    I still see very large, NARROW pointed ears that are close together, as opposed to the wider ear set of a domestic. The paws are a bit narrower, again, to me like a coyote. The muzzle for sure is long and pointed like a coyoye, not heavy like a domestic. The nose itself, not as big like dogs. Zach probably is right, we might not ever know for sure, might never be solved. Also, Ill admit, some of those dogs look just like some coyotes, too. But, that has always been the case. My final opinion is, most are coyotes in the wild, and the few really dog like, are likely feral, and the last few could indeed be coydogs, but those would be the "mixed" marked ones.
     
  9. Wolfwoman

    Wolfwoman $90 for your fur made into trapper hat or mitts!

    Bill, I agree to a point, but if the yotes down there are so mixed, how does one know what they're getting? I wouldn't mind trapping/hunting yotes, but not someone's pet that might have gotten out once or twice... feral is different. All those dogs you see above are Alaskan Huskies from one kennel. I guarantee if some people saw some of these dogs running loose they would say YOTE down there in the states. Up here, it's 'catch the loose sled dog' if you can. Oh, and most of those dogs above have run the Iditarod more than once :) :D
     
  10. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Wolfwoman, I agree, those dogs do vary, and some look alot like coyotes for sure. Our coyotes are a red wolf/hybrid coyote, we dont often get those dog marked types, and when we do, theyll have patches of color, or floppy ears, something like that. Also, we just dont have free running dogs around here in any numbers, and most of them have collars, or collar rub marks, or lay flat and pee when you approach one in a trap. You usually can just tell. A coyote usually wigs out, and once in awhile youll get the odd one that just cooly stares you down...with blonde eyes!
     
  11. Wolfwoman

    Wolfwoman $90 for your fur made into trapper hat or mitts!

    It's always going to be a 'who knows' thing, but I'd pass to shoot a coyote that looked like a dog, traooing is different, you ARE up close and can tell more.

    I love the amber eyed canines, and have several of them myself.... I'll have to see if I can find a close up and post a pic.
     
  12. Huntress

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    Well I hope I never get one in my traps where I can't tell the difference. All the dogs I've caught had collars and were returned to their owners.
    The only definitive answer would come from DNA testing I guess.
     
  13. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    I guess you all sense my frustration with this, lol. I prefer to see just plain old wild animals, not interpreting hybrids, crosses, anomolies, etc. Grrrr...hahahaha!
     
  14. Roger E

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    Absolutely NOT a COYOTE...
     
  15. HAd a fellow bring in a Spitz dog, you klnow thw little white dogs, he claimed it was a artic fox. He never came back with a deposit so it was canned.
     
  16. Bill Yox

    Bill Yox Well-Known Member

    Before you guys say things like never, you might wanna consider that you dont live in certain areas where some of these doglike markings are almost "normal" hahaha. Ya know, if we got rid of all coyotes, we would have more fox, and no more weird coyote-like animals to worry about! Now theres an idea!
     
  17. coyotman

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    if u look at a husky they have a longer snout than a coyote i would have to say that the pic that is posted here is a husky
     
  18. Hmmm maybe an alaskan malamute cross - check out this pic

    www.pups4sale.com.au/alaskan_malamute_02a.jpg
     
  19. bill@hogheaven

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    If I found that in a trap Id be thinking catch & release unless behavior or smell told me otherwise.
     
  20. zachhanel

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    i think that'd be what hopefully everybody would be thinking, because that first pic i could almost for sure say siberian husky i mean you won't see a coyote like that, its not a coyote, even the pic terry posted looks like some mut and not a coyote what happened to common sense guys, even what ever remote place you live yox there is still gona be somebody with a dog, i've heard of color phases but species changes don't happen you don't shoot a dog that is suddenly a yote, whoever had that mounted or mounted it had to know there was something off, this isn't even a good argument because there is no coyotes like that and lots of dogs like that so it looks like a dog its probably a dog, but come on this could be argued forever and it wouldn't matter because the dogs already dead and people would still shoot dogs and call them coyotes its just plain ridiculous