You are exactly right on, Bill, and no I didn't measure or weigh it.. I do adore the rarity however and I'm so glad to know that there are other understanding folks out there. such a relief! Yep the heavy skin, joints and all you described my coyote to a t, Bill. I powerwashfleshed him, no problemo.. super yote. Nature Goddess our yotes really look similar in color for sure.. people think fox mix so this coyotes pics don't really do it justice.. will have to take a few more pics like I see you have there. very good! The coyote hunters that I got this one from told me that they've gotten some almost totally black in color, too. pretty neat.