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Illegal or Legal to sell? Pre- 1900s Whole Sea Turtle what's it worth today?

Discussion in 'Reptile Taxidermy' started by ancientturtle, Feb 28, 2008.

  1. ancientturtle

    ancientturtle New Member

    The sale of any tortoiseshell is illegal (unless they were manufactured prior to 1947) CITES law
    This antique turtle was taxidermed prior to 1947 and prior to 1900.

    "As you are probably aware, worked items made from tortoiseshell that acquired before 1 June 1947 do not require Article 10 certificates to allow them to be used for any commercial purpose – which would include sale. However, if a pre-1947 worked item is subsequently re-worked after 1 June 1947, then the derogation would not apply and an individual Article 10 certificate would be required. Anyone selling such re-worked items without an Article 10 certificate would be committing an offence under Regulation 8(1) of
    the Control of Trade in Endangered Species (Enforcement) Regulations 1997 and, if convicted, could face up to five years in prison, an unlimited fine or both.

    Extremely rare endangered large sea turtle is easily over 100 years old which was initially bought in 1954 for roughly $50,000 US? Condition is excellent and very artfully preserved. Been in the family for years. Should I get carbon dating done on it? Your thoughts.
  2. jermh1

    jermh1 Member

    pretty sure you would have a hard time coming up with proof of age, and if some agent or whoever takes care of that stuff, wanted to bust you, then it would quickly become uneconomical to sell. from what I was told was a shell or a mount are not considered worked items, like a combe or some other decorative piece, and you cant have them without a permit. that is how I heard it works, but not for sure.
    I see, sea turtle shells get through on ebay every now and then it all depends on species, greens are the cheapest $50 - $400 hawksbill depends on shell quality and are the most common on ebay seen them go for $15 all the way up $1200 I can tell you that the only shell or turtle ive seen sold go over $3000 was a 62in fossil tortise shell from florida$27,500. I would just hang onto it.

  3. csmingler

    csmingler New Member

    $50,000 on a turtle shell? must have been mighty good soup
  4. margo1

    margo1 New Member

    I understand that it is illegal to sell tortoise shell, however i inherited a whole shell from my grand parents about 20 years ago. i remember my grandparents having it in their home when i was a kid. My question can i sell it ? Do not want to break any laws .

    thanks Margo1
  5. Light Rail Coyote

    Light Rail Coyote Active Member

    In order to legally sell it, you'd need to have an official someone confirm that it pre-dates the ban, and even then, it might still require CITES paperwork. There's a lab in Ashland, Oregon which dates animal parts for situations just like this. I'll be working there next year if all goes well. You might need to send it there to get it dated.