Rob, my husband is the king of dickering. The...oh what the heck was it called?? A farm & ranch supply place...ARGH I've forgotten. Anyway, they were going out of business. We needed a new rototiller. He got the tiller at half price...AND the sales clerk gave him her employee discount! He also got a "broken" wheel barrow for $5.00. He brought it home, moved both of the tires to the OUTSIDE of the axle where they were supposed to be, and presto...perfect. : Knothead guy put it together wrong. I can talk to someone until I'm blue in the face to get them to take the price down and I'm elated if I get 25% off. Ivan breathes in their general area and he gets that same 25% plus. Used to irritate me, but then I realized it's saving us money even if they'll only do it for him! Gotta love dickerin...beats paying full price any day of the week. Now if I'm selling something, I want to get what I know it's worth. If I'm buying, I want to get it for as good a price as I can get. Why would I get irritated at someone else for trying to do the same dang thing?